The sheer irony of you saying this…
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Oh shut up.
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Thanks for proving me right.
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I love nelfs i thought they would be aura farming again after the tree got burned but we didnt get that unfor
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This, also i know its a harsh way to say it but good artist will always have some work maybe less work.
people should stop wasting their time into things they cant afford to spend said time on especially if they arent good at it and make it their only income
Coming back to this because I feel it’s important; while I very much sympathize with people in your position, I’d like to highlight that people tend to defend artists’ prices because we see people complain about the prices regardless of where the complainers live. For example, most people who have goshed me about my pricing when I used to be open to commissions, weren’t from lower income countries, but from ones that were quite on par with my own. Sweden, Norway, UK, Netherlands, the wealthier US states etc.
It’s not about people wanting to turn the blind eye to how much more expensive commission art is to people in your position, but because of people’s attitudes from all around the world.
Personally, I’m one of the lucky who turned art into a career without having to go the freelance way. The work pays pretty well, partly because I’ve reached seniority and given more responsibilities in supporting my workplace. Now, if I took commissions on top of my full-time work, the pricing would be quite high in exchange of me giving my precious free time away. So there’d have to be enough carrot for me to bother instead of working on my own freetime projects. Many can’t pay what I’d ask, and for me it’s alrigh; my few commissioners tend to be people who really want something from me in specific.
If I’m not open (usually not), or my prices are too steep, I often like to direct them to other artists who are open or more within their budget.
I think for me it boils down to people complaining about art prices don’t usually have a realistic understanding of the time and effort an illustration takes, especially when a lot of people still seem to think it’s more about talent than skill acquired through hard work.
A lot people don’t explain why an artists’s prices are expensive to them (I’m a student / from lower income country / don’t have a job / whatever) but instead express themselves in ways that imply the artist’s pricing is unreasonable even if it was perfectly reasonable based on where the artist lives. I think that more than anything adds to the problem you’re describing about people feeling the need to stress it’s not that expensive when put in perspective (for a big number of people).
Anyway, on the topic of unpopular opinions:
The most liked people in a group are sometimes those who rarely share much of their personal opinions on things. Because whatever one’s opinion is, there’ll always be those eager to passionately disagree with them on AD. If you don’t share much, people probably don’t get to know you, but neither do they have anything to complain about.
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exactly everyone will need different amounts to make it reasonable for them to spend time on it, i just think its ridicoulus how some ppl act like AI art is criminally disgusting filth is weird af, some cringe type of gate keeping.
i dont use art at all for clarification, i refuse to pay 100s for art not cuz i cant afford it just a principal thing, and ai art just looks to weird imo but i wont think less of a person for using it.
Please educate yourself.
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rich coming from you, you completely missunderstood your previous discussion with someone else.
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No, I asked for clarity and was met with snark.
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My unpopular opinion is I want to read WoW or RP related opinions.
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banned…
Oh I agree wholeheartedly, but I think that’s part of the appeal! The few who are now Penitent can never, even if they laboured for ten thousand years, hope to earn forgiveness for what they’ve done.
But they’ll do it anyway.
Sure, im not gonna talk with a brick wall any futher, enjoy your day mister
I keep seeing people throwing around some pretty high numbers. You can definitely commission art that will set you back 100s of euros, but there’s also lots of artists doing lovely work for a lot less. I realise that some people are still going to be priced out, I’ve had periods in my life where I didn’t have any money to set aside for something fun, but there are options.
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Oh I got one.
Cataclysm was cataclysmic in the portrayal of goblins in the setting of Warcraft.
In my opinion they leaned far too deep into the gangsters, goons etc vibes, losing entirely what made goblins what they were before. Mad tinkerers sure, but there was something very raw about their engineering.
From Cataclysm onwards, and multiplied tenfold in the latest patch, it’s all too modern and too urban. I feared this the most when I first saw the Mean Streets of Gadgetzan Hearthstone expansion.
I love the goblins that had a keg strapped to them and told to blow themselves up.
Gadgetzan, Ratchet, and Booty Bay are far superior as goblin towns that feel like they’re well and truly part of Warcraft over Undermine, Kezan and house in a box engineering.
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To be perfectly transparent, I wasn´t even talking about myself. While I live in a poorer country compared to Western Europe (but still rich compared to most of the world), I´m doing fine and could afford art of my characters if I wanted to (but because I´m greedy goblin, I´ve picked a pencil instead).
The reason why I even entred this discussion was to explain how art can very much be viewed as overpriced by people from countries such as mine due to insane difference in the value of money. To get reactions such as:
after pointing out that people in my country need to work more than twice as much to afford something as people in the West, is frankly insane.
Defending the price of art is absolutely fine. In fact, I even pointed out that, if I were to pay an artist pretty well by standards of my country (or, to be more specific, by the part of my country where I come from), they wouldn´t even make minimum wage if they were located in Germany. If an artist needs to ask 100 euros for a drawing of a bust of character to even make it worthwhile to them, then that´s absolutely fine.
What isn´t fine is when people react to someone saying art is too expensive/overpriced for them with all sorts of arguments that, at the end of the day, come down to “sucks to be you”. And the greatest irony in it is that it only helps the AI bros. The anti-AI stance stands on empathy for the artists, on the notion that AI scraping internet for their data without their consent is wrong, and that the end result is people losing their livelihood, which is also very wrong. Reacting with lack of empathy for others and then expecting them to side with you because they should empathize with other people is definitely a choice.
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To be fair with almost every art style and genre of artwork, there’s artists who will charge high for it and artists who will make it more affordable. Not everyone can afford any art at all, that much is true, but I don’t think that makes the art overpriced as much as it unfortunately makes the commissioner underpaid.
I’m not saying this to poor shame or to gatekeep or anything like that - but something isn’t overpriced just because not everyone can access it. Especially when you can get some low cost but genuinely high quality work from human artists.
Just dont have art then
Don’t? It’s not needed.
I can’t afford it. I don’t bemoan that fact, I like to write cause that’s the hobby I’m into.
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