Maybe for ZT, but it ruined HW totally.
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Obvious troll is very, very obvious with his trolling.
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I must admit I dont understand that âpanicâ with FCT. If people are fine being on server, why would they leave? To me, only logical explanation is they werent satisfied for some reason.
In other words, player had to pay if he wanted to play both versions with same character. If one character goes to tbc and other to era, dont have to pay anything.
So obvious that youâre wrong, damn.
A different opinion than yours does not automatically make the person a troll.
Yes thatâs what I said - and what I did. I did not pay for any cloning, sending only my main to TBCC and keeping the other 19 in Era.
This is not how it should have been - It should have been free or very cheap. The cloning price made Era what it is today.
I know for sure that not everyone who left our realm was really happy to do so. For our realm it was for sure the wrong decision by the devs.
And i think if someone is REALLY unhappy, there is always a way out. Start from scratch, use the PCT.
As long as they don´t use it, they are not THAT unhappy.
For a roleplayer, 2000 players are more then enough to roleplay.
E.g.: One guild from horde ZT left with the FCT. And asked, why - because they were happy before - their answer was âWe don´t know, it seemed to be the most logical (or reasonable?) thing to do.â
It´s somewhere mentioned in the realm murder thread.
On HW, someone transfered away when the realm murder was announced, because âRealms will be closedâ. And then couldn´t come back, after HW was allowed to stay.
The SoM realms - as soon as the transfers were open (except the two missed realms), the first persons transfered away, even on realms they didn´t want to play on (because their target realm was one of the missing ones), because⌠for whatever reason.
As if the devs would shut down the realms after one or two weeks only! 
FCT do always trigger some people to really transfer away.
And as i said, i know that some people transfered who were not happy to do so.
The FCT away from the RP realms (at least mine) is something, i´ll never forgive the devs.
Then they shouldn´t have killed the realms afterwards, so that the roleplayers don´t loose their home.
However, back to topic:
If someone is whiny about the player count on HW, he would have been whiny about the playercount on ZT, too.
ZT was emptier in the end then HW is now.
the last, remaining FCT away from HW to Lakeshire:
The devs assumed, that roleplayers where playing on RP realms. Therefore they transfered all characters to the last, remaining one.
They didn´t expect, that so many germans don´t speak english (well enough) to play on an english RP realm.
Lakeshire was where most german RPers transfered to. I think that´s the reason why they offered FCT to lakeshire - the german roleplayers had a chance to gather on one (or two, if we add HW) realms.
It´s just kindness to the german roleplayers
In the end it did cost 5⏠- but many missed it. Unfortunately.
Yes, it should have been free. But wellâŚ
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The exact answer I got from my guild after the transfer âŚ
Thanks ⌠Still 5⏠for me would have been 95⏠which is - if not a lot of money - still more than I have for a game 
And it was too late.
I have grown old and bitter recently, and all this trouble in WoW has contributed.
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Yes, and? How is that relevant to anything? Vast majority of ZT players also (and primarily) wanted to raid, use AH, recruit new guild members and play organized PvP. All of which were becoming increasingly difficult to do by the beginning of Phase 3 of TBCC.
Not to mention the fact that there was hardly any RP happening on ZT at all after Phase 2 of Classic, apart from some organized events by a few RP guilds. And thatâs hardly everyoneâs cup of tea. I for example only ever really do spontaneous RP, and there was none of that past BWL patch.
I mean what kind of dumb statement is that? Out of that 2000 characters (not players, many were alts), how many do you think ever did any RP. How many do you think were even aware they are on an RP realm? 50? 100? Iâd be surprised if there even were 100 unique people on ZT who ever typed a deliberate RP line in /s.
All that being said, I fully agree they shouldnât have closed the RP realms, should have left them with free transfer in and out, so that only people actually interested in RP could go in or out (with 3 month cd, 2000g cap and all that)
That Zandalar Tribe was a ROLEPLAY realm. 
Not a dumb statement.
Just stating a fact, that apparently many players were not capable of choosing the correct realm type (not talking about people like you, but those who just don´t care that they might disturb roleplayers, or do it intentionally)
I know, that many players on RP realms are not roleplayers, and this is an issue - especially on RP-PVP realms.
I saw the effect on my own RP-PVP realm in retail. The german RP-PVP realms all died out.
Non roleplayers can shoo away roleplayers, especially if they don´t care (or know) on which realm type they are, and more importantly on RP-PVP realms.
IMHO Zandalar Tribe suffered from the fact, that many PVP players used this realm as an overflow during the Classic release.
I saw the sudden increase in player count and thought, these are for sure not all roleplayersâŚ
Not sure about Hydraxian Waterlords, but apparently there were a lot of non roleplayers, too.
If i compare this with Cele, my realm:
Celebras was released TWO month after Classic release. Mainly those, who really want to roleplay, or prefered the atmosphere on RP realms ,came.
A lot of people didn´t, because they had already friends on other realms, and those friends were not interestet in RP realms.
Cele was weakend (somehow) from the start, but it was also Celes strength:
The FCT DID impact Cele, but in percentage not as much as Zandalar Tribe and Hydraxian Waterlords.
I think, there is a reason (and as i said, i know not everyone who left, was happy to âescapeâ the realm. But this whole spiral of what happened, is too much for this thread).
I´d like to know the state of all 3 RP realms, if there would have been enough realms from the beginning, and Cele would have been there from startâŚ
But that´s something we´ll never know.
That´s exactly what we said all the time. :-/
though i would have left the FCT out only - so that no one can use the emptier realms as a resource to farm mats. And they would have had to have a closer look for bots.
You are a special case 
Keep in mind: I am not happy with what happened, especially Celebras 
But i think, there were actually no bad intentions from Blizzard.
And i (that´s my assumption) think, they keep an closer eye now on Hydraxian Waterlords (Wrath). They won´t kill the last realm again.
Era⌠more difficult. I am a bit worried what they will do with the era realms. They SHOULD merge all together to one PVE/PVP/RP, imho. but i want Celebras to survive this time - sorry 
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I saw this a lot back in 2006 on my first character.
Back then there there was a heck of a lot of roleplay on the server I played on, including server-wide events, even events featuring both factions. Those were the halcyon days of RP servers.
But of course there were dumb kids who did their best to disrupt those events. Entire groups of people who jumped into the middle of gatherings featuring dozens of players and bounced around bombarding them with AOE relentlessly while spamming: âLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOL RP NURDS GET A LYF LLO0LOLOLOLOLO9LOLâ
It was just one of those things you had to learn to live with, as nothing could be done about it. Reporting them was useless, or else youâd host those events in very remote locations, far from the maddening crowds. Abandoned Tauren village was always a good spot.
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This is not necessarily a problem. If people resplect the extra RP rules. ⌠have decent names, do not spam [insert current fad here] in chat, do not jump excessively and advertice their groups in more or less full sentences ⌠then I find it an asset rather then a bad thing. You do not interact with all living near you IRL, thereâs that grumpy neighbor, or you live in a biggish town.
I played on Darkmoon Farie back then. Of course there was that occasional spoilsports, as Lorraen describes, but generally people kept clear of RP events (and of Goldshire ), were decent and laid back. The whole atmosphere was somehow better.
Iâm an altoholic - plain and simple, Now Iâve almost reached the account limit
I understand what you say . I still feel that the reason the RP realms were not kept alive was solely Blizzâs pride in not wanting to admit being mistaken - and I feel sorry for Celebras in particular, but also for ZT where they were trying to revive the realm, and for HW that was more than half ruined in the process. I still feel that Free transfer there would be fine.
Era, I think 5 realms should be the minimum there: 2X PvE, 2X PvP and one RP - if they should be English / German or how, I donât know, but just consolidating the whole caboodle sounds like the recipe for Udder Chaos. And letâs keep Cele as RP realm this time around.
I still think merging would be better (with info!!! or my tabs), as consolidating brings its own chaos (we know!) and deprives us of the possibility to have more than 10 characters per realm type.
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Only one of those is an actual rule on an RP server. He other three are just things you like.
Did you read the RP rules when WoW launced? They asked for a way of behaving suitable for a Role Playing realm. Naming and anti-harassment of RPers were enforced by Blizz, as was OOT in General , the other things only requested.
You can refresh your memory here:
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Roleplaying_policy
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As you can clearly see, that is a third party site. With no links or citations.
I remember those policies well, I read them thoroughly before rolling on The Venture Co. the first EU RP-PvP server in summer of 2005. They have not actually been up on any official Blizzard site since Cataclysm, if not earlier. Now that link of your is nothing more than nostalgia and wishful thinking.
Please read the first lines where it clearly says: The Roleplaying Policy support page on the Blizzard support site has now been deleted from their official page, which may insinuate that the policy quoted below, is no longer up to date. This is the quoted policy that used to be featured on the official support site: (my fat & Italics)
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Yes thatâs what I said. I am not arguing with you that it existed. And it was good. It no longer does. There are no rules on RP servers other than Character Naming policy. They are just a place for RPers to gather.
In almost all other respects we play the game as it was in 2010, so I think the inclusion of these rules is minor omission from BlĂzzâs side and that they still are valid. They were removed somewhen in Mists - same as good GMs
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I am sorry, but I thought you are an adult with grown children. What you believe about the rules is completely irrelevant. Only thing that matters is if the rules are stated and enforced. RP realm rules are neither.
Look, I donât like it any more than you do. I am an actual Roleplayer, or more of one than all but few people here anyway. But pretending those rules still apply is an exercise in futility. Itâs childish. They are gone and burried.
As an adult I still expect general respect and good manners, also when playing. Those ârulesâ I stated was so to speak a condensation of good manners on a RP realm. If only eforcement of rules can make people behave, weâre in a sad state.
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Is and always was thus.