You are missing the point. It does change a whole lot because normally, you’d have to either find or trade for the rune/item you desire. In your example, you find it. There’s no alternative, because the market gets monopolized. Best case scenario: you buy an overpriced item that drops many times in value once the market gets some saturation and achieves some self-regulation.
d2jsp is nothing more as a site for trading …
take a beer and relax a bit …
So you think the mayority of players are browsing some game forums?
You must delusional. Most people don’t use ressources outside of the game. That’s been true for most games ever released. 8k people is still a very small number compared to active players.
And with your small “number” you even gave another argument to close down d2jsp. A small number of people abusing the market and give people a reason to scam new players ingame so they can trade on their website for a currency that is actively being traded with real money.
As long as they keep the real money trading aspect it violates the terms of service and is just another rmt service. Funny how people here try to defend it. Because that argument can’t be refuted.
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I was talking about 8k people doing trades AT THAT MOMENT.
While in the official forums, over here, a handful of players are posting. So yes, a majority of “trade interested” players uses that website. been like that for 20 years.
I agree with you that there are way more people not even knowing about outside of the game trading, but hey: It has been like that. The interface itself doesnt allow any bigger trades.
Right now it is a changing market, but wait a year or two. I will tell you what happens: Highrunes get cheap as hell, and even players who dont go to any other trading websites (be it over here or at d2jsp).
Highrunes will be like 4 Ist, and everybody will be able to afford Eni sooner or later.
But then there are items that will be worth a lot more. And these are traded for sums that you simply can not do in a regular trade with this limited ingame trading window.
I am talking about amus and rares, lld. All that stuff.
At that time, a highrune was about 20fg. There are amulets and diadems and a lot more stuff that can go easily up to 5k, 10k… Depends on the buyer.
And the vast majority of d2jsp users has never spent real money on forum gold.
But to the regular user, the one who is not even on ANY trading forums… Well he is happy when he gets 3 Ber and a Jah rune and some Pul as an add. He feels good because he feels rich. The d2jsp guy gets 8k fg for it and feels good, too. Those two players will probably never meet. So what is the problem?
RMT is a very overrated point in this discussion.
At this point we would just circle our arguments because you don’t accept my way of argueing and only provide your point of view and i don’t accept the concept of RMT.
People have already pointed out that d2jsp influences the prices especially at the start of a season. Also d2jsp can be interpreted as RMT because forum gold is being traded with money. It doesn’t matter how many people actively trade it for money because it’s value is fully determined by money. So everyone using it is in a way taking part in RMT and only because it’s not called Dollar or Euro doesn’t change that fact.
As you have said yourself most people don’t use D2JSP but people on D2JSP use these kind of ingame people to make “FG” or in another word Money.
Try to open a game offer “Ber rune” an see for yourself. People will try to scam you either by trade canceling in hopes of you dropping the item or highly underpaying you. And this is not only a problem caused by D2JSP but by RMT. So I don’t mind trading websites per se but i mind RMT. And as long as D2JSP is considered a RMT Website i dislike it.
Also the fact that they bypass the ladder reset is a huge problem. It should be a fresh start but it isn’t. People who stacked FG have the same advantage as people who pay alot of money early on.
And lastly it’s not a real economy since there is zero regulation. People can price fix and scam as much as they want. And they do it.
High prices for rare items are caused by people who have alot of money or fg. In a world where there is no trading outside of D2 there is no place for prices like that. It would cap in the amount of runes you can trade or are willing to trade.
So no RMT is the most important point in this discussion. It plagues the game for over 20 years and incentivised ingame bots and spam bots.
If blizzard accepted the concept of RMT they should remove it from their TOS, so that everyone can take part in it not only those that are willing to break the rules.
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I’ve already spoken my mouth fuzzy thanks for taking the staff 
Here the ToS Xentis is talking about 
“Blizzards End User Licence Agreement Section 1.B.v.3.); (ii) gathering in-game currency, items, or resources for sale outside of the Platform or the Game(s).”
The funny thing is they COULD do something about it by either monitoring the site itself or/and trading in general when someone gets a I don’t know torch anni and enigma and trades nothing back (for example), but appearently they do NOT CARE.
You are so far away from reality, dude…
if its not an exeptional torch, torches are simply dropped on the ground for trading. They are worth pgs these days.
And yes, even nigmas are simply dropped sometimes.
Now go and create games, until shako drops. Come back here crying when you didnt get one after ten runs.
“Monitoring the site…”
Can you elaborate on that?
These trades are not connected to the game. So there are no inventory slot restrictions.
If the item is worth more than game mechanics allow, people will find ways to trade without dropping the price. Externally or exchanging against multiple worthy other items that sum the equal price.
“fg” isn’t “money”. It’s a virtual currency. And only idiots buy “fg” for Euro or Dollars. It takes just a bit time to drop something sellable vs. “fg”.
It makes no sense to say people would buy Ber runes at the beginning of a season. When d2r started, you had to pay more than 250 Dollars a Ber rune this way. Maybe there are few people out who can and would pay that. But not in an amount that is mentionable.
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It is money whether you like it or not.
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Nope, it’s not money. It’s virtual currency, just like gold, silver or whatever ingame. And there’s a way to buy this currency vs. real money as well as some people buy ingame currency externally vs. real money.
Btw. there’s no legit way to turn this forum currency back into real money.
Read and understand the definition of “money” and you may find the difference.
Yeah in casinos you dont gamble with money either. You use casino chips …
A website that is actively violating the ToS of D2 doesn’t care about legit transactions. People sell forum gold for real money on ebay. And there is nobody who is fighting that.
Only because they don’t provide a direct way to cash out doesn’t mean it’s value can’t be accessed. And again you defending it makes sense because you are probably one of those who profit from it.
I knew people in my friend circle who did the same. They payed their bills when they went to university.
Again why do they bypass the concept of seasons?
Explain that.
Why can you buy forum gold for real money?
Explain that please.
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Crap. Try to buy casino chips for consumer goods. Btw. you can turn back the chips into money anytime when you go to their bank.
In what way do they violate the ToS? The are not requiring anything from D2, not a client and not any data transfer.
This is why there’s no legal way to close them.
Same thing like the discussion about Bitcoin. Anybody is free to join. So anybody can “profit”. Btw. most profitable keeps dropping items.
Because this option is offered. But still very rarely used. Still there’s no change offered in the other way.
They don’t bypass anything.
You are using very limited szenarios to justify the website.
Fact is you can buy FG for money. How do you think people got it in the first place?
It doesn’t matter that most people don’t buy it directly for real money.
The admin put a price tag on it. It is exchanged for money even if you argue it’s only one direct it is still RMT. You can just go to the website buy FG then buy items. Nothing more is needed here it is violating the ToS of D2. And they could just simply ban everyone who is using that website for that alone.
The owner is abusing his rights to hide who these people are. He is not obligated to share that information. And that’s why it’s hard to punish these kind of people.
But don’t act like it’s legitimate because it is 100% not.
People like you are the reason we can’t have nice things anymore. You destroy the normal economy of the game for your own gain.
And here is the reality. People use D2JSP to farm real money. That’s a fact i have friends who did that. It’s a nice income when you are younger and have no real job. But it is against the ToS!
Bitcoin is also a grayzone right now. People actively manipulate the market by hyping it up and then dumping their shares. Just to buy them when they are low again. It doesn’t provide a real use to society right now because transaction fees are way to high. People just use it as an exchange currency. And government are starting to regulate it.
Only because something is not 100% illegal doesn’t justify to abuse the system.
And something being illegal is a complete different story here. Blizzard doesn’t make rules for people. It makes rules for their playerbase to use their products.
You can buy Ber runes and D2 items on ebay. Close ebay!
I am not asking to close D2Jsp.
I am asking to ban everyone who is using it from D2
I am against trading forums where you can buy items for microtransactions. And forum gold can be bought for real money.
Maybe it is also tolerated by Blizzard because the trading forums are from Blizzard?
Haha great. The whole market system is based on such options. Stock exchange markets work this way.
Stupid. There’s no legal way to exchange forum currency to Euro. Easier to directly sell on ebay.
99% of players are playing and exchanging drops from user to user vs. forum currency only.
No way. A Ber rune about 6 dollars. Time to get rich… 
Thats a niche of players who do that. Btw. D2r is a dead end. There are hundreds of much more profitable games to do that.
By selling an item of worth?
Do you even know what you are talking about?
You can not change fg into real money. I know a lot of people trading at d2jsp for more than 15 years. I know no one who bought fg for real money.
It is very easy to aquire fg because, as I have tried to make you understand several times, there is a lot of trade activity! You can and will sell anything that is of worth to someone, if you know how to do it.