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Ploot would be preferred in my case. Simply as I enjoy playing in groups.
I use groups only for some extra experience and help with certain quests on hell (cus of immunities). Grouping in a open public game with strangers ⊠you should not have any expectations to loot anything good
You can try and play with friends and share your loot inbetween. Thats how i prefer to play. Its also very exciting when someone finds somehting cool for somebody alse.
Adding personal loot would be a bad change. In order to keep the balance of the loot drops as it is, personal loot should be reduced in quantity when u are in a group. You kill baal with 8 ppl - He drops 6 items. 6 People get one random item, 2 get none.
Because if you make it so he drops 6 items for everyone⊠will be very bad. This will ruin the game and its longevity. It will flood the market with items. Making them worthless⊠resulting everyone getting all the best gear multiple times faster. Essentially losing interest in the game multiple times faster.
And thats how it is in D3. You get all the sets and uniques that make your character endgame ready for FREE in one week. After that its just paragon farming to last week of the season where you push your Max greater rift. And thats it.
D2 does not have such systems ⊠so making loot drops like that will ⊠litteraly kill the game. There is this stupid addicting quality of D2 that has worked for years. And its the slot machine RNG feeling of killing a boss for thousand of times just to see what he will drop. If you expected something more of D2⊠sorry but this is all of it.
There have been very good Mods for d2, and there still are, that provided more endgame options and changes to many things in game. So if you like how the remaster looks and plays maybe in the future we will have more Mods that will provide different experience. Sadly the removal of tcp/ip support means it will be Single player mods only. But we will seeâŠ
What nukeblast said !! People donât get it that is how Diablo worksâŠ
Ah yes, personal loot. Weâve got that D3 flop for that. Would you like monsters to only drop items/sets for your class as well so you can gear up that much faster? If youâre not ready to grind for months & months to get the item you want and have the possibility of someone else picking it up, D2 ainât for you.
Youâll have a whole lot of personal loot in private games/single player.
yes multiplayer with random people is not fun and pointless regarding loot progression.
since i can kill hell all alone i play 100% alone.
i can image current loot system is ok when playing with friends tho.
Like the game will exist in a month. Nostalgia only take it so far it needs to be better to keep interest.
No. You wanted the ability to teleport to every boss in the game at a speed 700x what everyone else can do, so live with the consequences of your eternal p1 loot. This is why people who roll sorcs and squishes in HC as a main first are stupid. Your benefits only last for about 3 weeks every time. Then you canât do p8 stuff unless you get exclusive loot access.
Make a real, non overpowered, non TP char and start walking like the rest of us. Then you can participate in REAL loot grabs.
Thatâs the trade off for your decision.
And before you claim your NOT a sorc, if ur having trouble getting close with other classes on HC, ur playing them wrong, ur undergeared, or underleveled.
I have a poor internet connection, have a palsy in one arm, play ranged so am always at the back, and use KB+M so loot slower than controller players, therefore my chance of snagging that elusive Shaco is ZERO on every run. Iâll take those odds with PLoot thanks!
I think you (and many others) really donât understand why people are asking for PLoot. We are NOT expecting to get more loot because of it. The game wonât be any easier. The grind remains the same. Except itâs FAIR. As opposed to UNFAIR. It facilitates grouping with strangers, and making new friends.
Sigh. Did you even read the thread? No one is asking for increased loot drops. Nothing would change except the drops that do drop - and would have dropped anyways - would be allocated randomly, instead of going to who happened to click on it first. NOTHING ELSE WOULD CHANGE.
There is ZERO danger of PLoot affecting your precious trade system. Youâd be better spending your energy in helping remove the bots from the game. They have a far bigger detrimental effect on things.
It is very frustrating to try to discuss the merits of PLoot when the other side doesnât even know what it is or how it works.
I absolutely guarantee you that people getting fed up with losing the drops they see to other players through no fault of their own will cause them to lose interest in the game much faster than adding PLoot ever will.
PLoot will instead keep people playing longer because most people like fairness in such matters.
This is the very problem we are trying to solve. Read what you wrote again. Do you think this is a good thing for the gameâs future? Changing nothing will result in the population dwindling down to the same set of purists that were playing old D2 already anyways. Pretty sure Blizzard are hoping for a bit more than that for D2Râs future.
Mm⊠i agree with some points but still⊠i dont see whats the point of joining group where u will get 0-1 item for a boss kill⊠randomly assingled to you. Without even seeing what others get. I personally would not play multiplayer for such option. Changing the loot system is not the way to go.
And if you are concerning about the future of the game⊠you better hope for a further official development of the game by adding new content/items/bosses/skills and balance of classes. This is the way the game will live longer. Because d2 lod kinda died 15 years ago. After that⊠like you said ⊠a set of purists remained to play the classic. Most of us moved on and tried many different mods that offered different view of d2, some simply improving things like a regular D2 exapnsion other completely changing it in to a brand new game.
So ye⊠they have an amazing new look for the game. And imo it deserves reviving and continuing its development.
Or simply allow back tcp/ip support so ppl that want changes can go and play different d2 via mods.
With bots, I might add.
we used to live in caves.
I think itâs a great thing for the gameâs future. Diablo 2 is the best Diablo game out there for a reason, not being spoonfed good loot or having personal loot is one of them. D2R is what D3 shouldâve been, the Diablo 2 community was still quite large though not online until certain mods became popular. âThat same set of puristsâ as you like to say are the reason D2R is here, if there werenât so many of us still playing good olâ Diablo 2 Blizzard wouldnât have bothered making a remaster to begin with.
Now⊠Do I care if the temporary tourists leave because the game doesnât give them perfect/godly items and personal loot theyâre used to in Diablo 3? No, I donât. The majority of them wouldâve been gone within 6 months for some spoonfeeding game anyway.
Remember when we complained about Diablo 3? This isnât Diablo 2, forget Diablo 2, Diablo 2 is outdated etc.
Well guess what? This IS Diablo 2, with updated graphics. Take it or leave it.
Sorry if I sounded like a straight ahole but thatâs my stance and it wonât change.
As for Blizzard hoping for more players⊠They wouldâve given us better servers and fixed the games problems by now if thatâs what they were after. Theyâre losing players by the hour because of their dollar store servers.
You do not have an idea what to say because there is nothing to be said. The mere fact that a game has a multi-player option, does not mean that it is a co-op game. It is equally single-player and multi-player. Nobode can or should make me play co-op if I do not want to, and vice versa. Your statements, however, assume that everybody should play online or co-op, which is absolutely wrong.
Every Puplic loot purist out there says âdo it soloâ. So why then, donât you just âdo it soloâ?
What hinders you, do do MG-runs solo, if PLoot is implemented? I just donât get it. Nobody has a real argument against Ploot.
- âthe game will get easierâ - no it wonât
- âtrading wil get ruinedâ - good, then you have more time to acutally play the game. But stop⊠no it wonât
- "your chance will get from 1:800 to 1.4000 - this is also the case now! becaus ninja-looter can grap it, before you even see it drop.
- âyou will get less dropsâ - no, you just will SEE less drops.
- âthis is d2, it was so since 20 yearsâ - no, itâs d2r. A remaster isnât a fire-and-forget product⊠stop, sadly, it is in most cases. But there are exceptions. The ago-of-empires and Mythology is an example for that. I hope this exception is also true for d2r. âRemasterâ means NOT, that the game canât evolve anymore.
- âdo it soloâ - If you donât like PLoot, yes DO IT SOLO!
- âplay d3 thenâ - no I wonât I want to play D2r, not D3, not PoE, not Grim Dawn, but D2r! If I want to play D3, then I play D3, not D2r. On the other hand, If YOU want the machanics of D2 classic, then play D2 classic. In comparison to WC3, D2 classic still exists.

Now⊠Do I care if the temporary tourists leave because the game doesnât give them perfect/godly items and personal loot theyâre used to in Diablo 3? No, I donât. The majority of them wouldâve been gone within 6 months for some spoonfeeding game anyway.
the majority of them are already gone, so that is that

Well guess what? This IS Diablo 2, with updated graphics. Take it or leave it.
correct

Every Puplic loot purist out there says âdo it soloâ. So why then, donât you just âdo it soloâ?
What hinders you, do do MG-runs solo, if PLoot is implemented? I just donât get it. Nobody has a real argument against Ploot.
- âthe game will get easierâ - no it wonât
- âtrading wil get ruinedâ - good, then you have more time to acutally play the game. But stop⊠no it wonât
- "your chance will get from 1:800 to 1.4000 - this is also the case now! becaus ninja-looter can grap it, before you even see it drop.
- âyou will get less dropsâ - no, you just will SEE less drops.
- âthis is d2, it was so since 20 yearsâ - no, itâs d2r. A remaster isnât a fire-and-forget product⊠stop, sadly, it is in most cases. But there are exceptions. The ago-of-empires and Mythology is an example for that. I hope this exception is also true for d2r. âRemasterâ means NOT, that the game canât evolve anymore.
- âdo it soloâ - If you donât like PLoot, yes DO IT SOLO!
- âplay d3 thenâ - no I wonât I want to play D2r, not D3, not PoE, not Grim Dawn, but D2r! If I want to play D3, then I play D3, not D2r. On the other hand, If YOU want the machanics of D2 classic, then play D2 classic. In comparison to WC3, D2 classic still exists.
all i hear is âREEEEEEEEEEEE muh entitlementâ
ploot is cancer and we want to have nothing to do with it⊠and i will restate ahem : âIf Diablo 2 is NOT for you, go back to Diablo 3 WITH ploot and all that nonsense, {Classic gameplayâthe same Diablo II you know and love, preserved.} quoted directly from the D2R site.â

Well guess what? This IS Diablo 2, with updated graphics. Take it or leave it.
No it is not, plenty of core mechanic changes have gone in already. This is NOT Diablo 2. Look up the changes, starting with the shared stash space. The cow king. Cold immunes. Let us compile a list so you under no illusion that you are playing D2 LOD v 1.09b or 1.14.
PS: sorry forgot, ladder only rune words available in D2R non-ladder games.
If you donât want to have anything to do with it, just donât activate the OPTION. Problem solved.
And as I said, I want to play D2R, not D2 classic and certainly not D3. But YOU want to play D2 classic!. Notbody hinders you, becaus D2 classic still exists!

just donât activate the OPTION
Yes, isnât weird the âclassicâ mob want to prevent you having options? You do not have to click on ârespecâ, if the button is there. Like shared stash space, you do not have to use it if it breaks your âclassicâ experience.

{Classic gameplayâthe same Diablo II you know and love, preserved.} quoted directly from the D2R site.â
But it already is not, is it? So many core game changes in already.