Patch 2.3 crashed the loot table?

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It’s RNG my friend. Only Rng
Whenever a monster dies in Diablo 2, the game “rolls” to see what items are dropped. Every monster has its own Treasure Class, which determines both the odds of what items drop and the quality of those items.

Runes 17 is the only Treasure Class that has a chance to drop Zod, the highest rune in the game. If Runes 17 is rolled on an item drop, there is a 1:5171 chance that Zod will drop. If a Zod does not drop, then the game rolls on Runes 16. Runes 16 has a 2:3962 chance for a Cham, and a 3:3962 chance for a Jah. If neither of those runes drop, then the game rolls on Runes 15, and it continues down all the way to Runes 1, which is guaranteed to be an El or Eld.
The only way to roll on Runes 17 is to drop it from a higher treasure class, Act 5 (H) Good . All monsters and chests in Level 85 Areas (as well as Nihlathak) have the ability to roll on this Treasure Class. If A5G is rolled, the odds of Runes 17 are 14/130, or just over 10%. The odds of rolling A5G vary from between 1:150 to 1:5, depending on the monster and how many players are in the game. At the end of the day, maximizing the odds of rolling on the A5G Treasure Class is the best way to get high rune

Just as an example…a cow in hell has a 1:356143 to drop a Ber on player 1.

Keep in mind that if you play a lot you don’t increase this chance. Each run you make the chances to drop are the same, they don’t improve with the numbers of runs you do. The game doesn’t care how much time you invested and does not adjust drops just because you were persistent.

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I did hundreds of Chaos runs with nothing useful dropping for weeks at a time, not even a lousy 6%mf charm(i wanted anything…7% would’ve been godly drop), just pure garbage. Once I did about 250 Nihlathak runs with only 1 key dropped and no uniques. Nothing out of the ordinary. But other times i dropped 4 keys in 3 runs…

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I know how rune drops work. I am 39 years old, I was playing diablo in high school and when was a student. We were running team baal runs in my student house LAN area, playing on goddamn pentium 2 233MHz.
I dont want Ber to drop every day, or even every month. What I am so desperately trying to say is that I havent dropped anything above a goddamn Lum in 40+ hours of farming after the patch. That includes Ko, Fal, Lem, Um… none of these runes are dropping now for me.

Before the patch, I had few +/- Ko quality runes dopped per day, from cows, chaos sanctuary or arcane sanctuary ghost faming. Now, 40+ hours of the same habbits, the same farming cycles, nothing.

As written before, in that 20 days game period after I purchased d2r and before the patch, I dropped a ber, jah, 2 surs, Ohm, probably 3 Vexes, 2 Guls, maybe 5 Ists, some 50 Puls, Ums or Mals(combined), and Lum, Ko, Fal OR Lem was pretty much every hour of farming. Its not hard to imagine, I am fast and experienced, I know how to farm, have enigma to tele etc etc.

After the patch, suddenly its gone. Nothing. I get regurlar Amns and Thuls, and thats it. Got couple of hels, one Io. Is it more likely that overnight I have lost all the luck in this game, or is it more likey something changed?
Again, if it was just me, I would accept it, but I have few people telling me the same story - that after the patch, drops for them have dramatically changed.

One last thing on RNG. Key word - random. Definition of random numbers: the values are uniformly distributed over a defined interval or set. That what happens here does not meet the criteria of random.

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Have you ever seen the drop chances for runes? The tables are known.
Yes, that’s not just possible, it’s very likely. You’ll see it happening frequently. And I do mean frequently. Even in Hell Act V.

The fact that you have immediate empirical evidence in your cousin that runes do drop, should be all you need to consider you ran into the left side of the bell curve, instead of thinking something is wrong.

And no discussion on “maybe they do this to certain accounts” is possible. Conspiracy theories exploit this very principle that something is always possible if you cannot prove a negative.

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Damn… I just had a deja-vu. If I didn’t know Danutz in banned, I would’ve thought I am talking with him.

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They clearly are not for rune drops. By a large amount!

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Typical Troll. Adds nothing to the discussion, just creates more spam and clouds the topic.

As I told you, I am very experienced in this game. Possibly more than you. Please dont be condescending.

I never mentioned any conspiracy. All I said that something is broken, more likley than not some bug got somwehere.

I can see that I will not be able to convince you, even if I do 1000 full chaos sanctuary kills, you will still say “oh darn its just RNG”.
Now if you want I can give you some homework on probability. Lets say that a cow has a chance of drops as follows:
Io 1:10 945
Lum 1:13 825
Ko 1:20 738
Fal 1:26 903
Lem 1:40 354
And lets say you do a modest 400 cow runs. Thats more or less 120 000 dead cows. What is the probability that none of the above runes drop? This is what happened to me straight after the patch. If you get some ridiculously small odds of that happening, maybe you will understand what I am trying to say.

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Ok is that of any help to the subject at hand? Just spam, please dont.

A bit condescending. So let me return the favour. I am likely more experienced with D2 than you are, ive been playing the game a long time and know about dry spells, but nothing of this magntude ever happened to me before, if it is indeed a dry spell, which I doubt.

Never said its a conspiracy. More likely a bug somewhere. They did change a LOT of things in that patch, is it really out of the realm of possiblity something got messed up somewhere?
I can see I won’t be able to convnince you, even if I did 1000 CS runs and dropped nada, you would be like “oh darn, such a bad RNG”, so thats that.

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More likely a bug somewhere.

A bug like this would replicate for everyone - nobody would be able to find anything.
The fact that some people find things, and other people don’t, is the best proof that it works as expected.

I for example, am somewhere in the middle. I find okay stuff for the amount that I play (not much, several hours a week). But I found a near perfect vipermagi today, so hey :slight_smile:

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Bugs get reported here. Bug Report - Diablo 2 Resurrected Forums

Your whole conversation is useless and no one can answer it.

No, you are not experienced. you are a poser. You would know that 40 hours can drop even less than a Lum. Can even net you… are you ready?.. 0 runes.

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Wow, such a nice person. Well, the conversation started when I wasnt quite aware of what is happening, before I talked to other people and before I deduced it might be a bug. Please accept my senciere apologies for not knowing the future.

Double wow. You are such a nice person, I would rather lick a hobo than do anything with you

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It’s always such a pleasure to navigate the forums once in a while and realizing that our almighty Lord has made a new topic to complain about loots.

Praise our Lord Danutz. he shall bless us with undeniable truth about the loot tables

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quite normal.

look at this thread.
even an el rune drops only every 60 cowruns.

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Und inwiefern hilft dieser Kommentar zum Thema weiter? Richtig, genauso wenig, daher ebenfalls Spam, unterlasse dies ab jetzt.

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Unfortunately Danutz had a public meltdown and now he is banned so he is unable to spread his wisdom with us. :frowning:

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Er wird uns allen sehr, sehr fehlen … nicht. :yum:

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Good lord, you really are the least pleasant idividual that I’ve had the misfortune to come across for a long time. Talking to you is worse than having no drops for dozens of hours, so I will not do it again.

But because I care, I will respond this one last time: Nope, I will need more data before I post a bug. I am actually considering recording either doing 200+ CS runs, or 400+ Cow runs to have some solid evidence that runes arent dropping anymore. But that will take time, and some sceptics such as good yourself will not be convinced. So I am also talking to some peple for a possible mutual efford.

Lets assume the drop chances for P1 as posted in the “Solo Cows:Rune Figures”. If you do 1000 cow runs on P1, you should get on average:
14 Io, 11 Lum, 8Ko, 7Fal, 4Lem, 5Pul, 2 Um, 2 Mal, 1 Ist, 1 Gul, 1 Vex, 1 Ohm. You also have a good chance for Lo and Sur, and about 50% chance for Ber or Jah. Thats on average. If I dont drop a single Io, Lum etc… would that be any proof to you? Probably nope, but it may be for someone with more flexible mind. Which I hope whoever is moderating the bug section will have.

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It’s claims like this that make me laugh and mock all these threads.

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And there is a chance you will not drop 1 single rune. Highly improbable but totally possible.

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Check this article. It’s a long read, but it has a good synthesis of how the loot system works. Imagine rolling lots of multifaceted dice.

www. gamerguides. com/diablo-ii-resurrected/guide/where-to-farm/magic-finding-overview/how-magic-find-and-item-drops-work#player-count-and-nodrops

www.reddit. com/r/Diablo/comments/7yq3q7/diablo_2_comprehensive_guide_to_high_rune_drop/

And please, don’t reply with ‘but is this an official blizzard source!? isn’t this a conspiracy of the bot owners cartel!? blizzard and jsp are together on it!!! Hurrr…durrr…durr! They terk err ertms!!’ or I will invite you to pick up a tinfoil hat.
Joke aside, just trying to be helpful.