DIablo 4 is a frustratinjg game for the casual player!

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Dear everyone,
I tried to like d4 over and over again but for me and i think for many this game can never be a success. The game is frustrating hard and because of that far to hard for many casual players! Only a small group of people will like this game in the end. As d3 was a success for me for many many years, d4 will never come close! Blizzard concentrated on a small group of players who like to play it tough! I will never try seasons (I already know) because it is no fun at all . I hate this frustrating game already! I played almost all d3 seasons!!
Why not a level system as in D3?

Games should be fun and no frustration!

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You forgot to say exactly why is it frustrating for you. :flushed::clown_face:

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The Game is not hard, but boring as hell.
After some minutes i just leave it cause in the long term its no fun.

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D3 is the biggest shittiest, lamest game ever
Sorry but you must have like maximum 80 IQ if you like that game.

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It is only frustrating if you belive that D4 is to be played as D3.

This is a game about synergy, nothing else. When you get that, game is as easy as D3. (and no, you are not ment to be playing t2 before you are 40+ as you dont do enugh damage to kill fast enugh to take advantage of the extra xp from t2.)

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Preliminary sales figures would disagree with you. Even before release, Diablo 4 sold more copies than all previous editions of the game, it already IS the most successful Diablo Blizzards has ever put out.

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Could you elaborate?

How is it frustrating?

It’s been out a few weeks. My partner who only plays once a week loves her experience. We play duo and she is a very casual player. She has mastered the controls, understands the basic concept of invoking a cc/vulnerability then using an ability that exponentially does more damage in combination.

The difficulty is spot on, even fighting Ashava she didn’t die.

I have 3 tier 3 heroes between 54 and 60 and a tier 4 hero at 71. I absolutely love the game and I come from a background of ARPGs since the genre was formed.

What exactly is the feedback you have?
:+1:

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I am 100% a casual player now, 10 years ago I was an avid gamer but then a health issue developed within my small fibre nerve system that stopped me from living normally (even had to give up work at 38).

I have to take regular breaks (literally every 20-30 minutes to relieve the pain in my hands and arms - also the reason I only play solo) but I still managed to do the entire campaign, probably have the record for the slowest time lol.

I found the game to be just right for me, yes I hit a few walls and even restarted the campaign on a different character due to not being able to do a mini boss (the first meeting of Mothers Justice iirc) I went from a sorc to a druid and found that druid suited me better as a player and went on to finish the story - Lilith couldn’t even do damage to me by the time I got to her.

My point is that D4 is absolutely doable for a casual player just don’t play it like D3, in this game especially on bosses you need to be very mobile, hit and move until the blue bar beneath their health fills so they become stunned then get in there and wail on them until they start moving again, rinse and repeat.

If your build is struggling there are many sites that offer build advice or even ask on here as there are a lot of specialists who particularly know a lot about each character and their ideal builds. Experimentation is also a must here, I started off with a druid pulverise build but due to items received during my play through it developed into some pulverise/storm/earth/nature build and now at level 62 I’m still not dying or struggling too much (bear in mind I am also disabled).

If you want help for your character just ask, people here will help you as theory crafting is fun.

Good luck Don’t give up.

EDIT : check out these sites
Maxroll.gg
Fextralife
Diablowiki
icyveins
PureDiablo.

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With all due respect, this does NOT look like a hard game. Let me describe my experience:

  1. Totally casual player. Slow, too.
  2. Never been a particularly skilled player. I suspect I’m below average.
  3. Haven’t been really into gaming for many years, so quite a few things that are obvious to the average gamer are new or even confusing to me sometimes.
  4. I’m left-handed, and my left hand is currently at less than 100% thanks to a newly developed carpal tunnel syndrome.
  5. I don’t check websites for every last bit of info, so I often run “blind” into stuff. Andariel caught me by surprise, for example. I mean, it made sense for her to show up when she did but it’s not like I knew what she was like in a fight at all.
  6. Been playing Tier 2 since the beginning.
  7. Spent a considerable amount of time, without really understanding how weapon stats worked on my Barbarian. Had to ask online, to get it.

And I haven’t found the game to be too hard. Except when I’d try to beat enemies considerably above my level because I didn’t know what I was walking into, which is obvious really.

You also make this classic mistake in basic argumenting, where you pretend that you know the personal opinions of a statistically large amount of the players… And so you claim “far too hard for many casual players” and “only a small group will like this.”

How can you possibly know, even? Do you have access to Blizzard’s confidential statistics? Pretending there’s an imaginary majority behind your claim, is an even worse version of the “ad populum” fallacy. Maybe there is, but you cannot possibly prove it. So, by definition you’re wrong with your way to assess reality.

I get it that people don’t remain objective when frustrated, often enough. We’re all human. But try to recover that objectivity.

Suggestion: Just grind around generic regions, to level up and get better gear so the game becomes less challenging to you.

I did that by accident. Got to level 50, with only some bits of the campaign done. And so, my Barbarian is more powerful than intended for said campaign in Tier 2. Which means, doing the campaign turned out to be rather easy thus far (not done yet).

Lastly, unless you’ve been living under a rock for many years, you gotta know your opinion is a very unpopular one. So, to claim the majority supports you is particularly wrong in your case.

All objective info we have, on statistics from popular opinion… Shows D3 was the worst game in the franchise, and D4 is the most successful.

So, you claiming D3 was great and D4 is worse… Means you’re the minority here. Mathematically proven.

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Well tbh i would like an option to reset my renown when starting a new character :frowning:
I played since 1.6. Hardcore. Finished the whole game on adventurer A1-A5 full main+side story, not all altars just picking em up when i meet then, not intentionally searching for em. Took me i think clear 80hours to do so.
Ripped 1st at 74 and 2nd character at 72, now 3rd try im lvl82.
Tried a new char few days ago - made veterean and it felt too easy, like a lot , everything is falling down so quick what a shame.

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I also loved diablo 3 and there are many great things I miss from that game, but your take on diablo 4 has to be the worst one yet.

Diablo 4 is super easy but it also depends on what class you play I think, I started with rogue and was blasting through the game even without a specific build.

As people have mentioned here above me there is recommended levels for each world tier, I suggest starting with world tier 1 and stay there untill you are lvl 50 or above and then go unlock WT3 then again stay there untill you are lvl 70 or higher and then go WT4.

If anything I would say diablo 4 is catering a bit too much towards casuals because at level 70+ the game effectively stops and you have nothing to do other then spamming the same dungeons over and over again untill uber lillith at lvl 100 which can make the game boring, but before that point I think the majority of players loves the game.

Some changes I would like to see though is we don’t have to redo any renown at all in the seasons, I also want nightmare dungeons to become more like greater rifts from D3, I would also like to see more content added for lvl 70-100 and minor changes like bigger stash etc. Overall diablo 4 is an amazing game and 100% a huge success.

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I just got Spectral Charger :partying_face: :partying_face: :tada: :tada: :partying_face: :partying_face:

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The game is not hard at all, play with friends and find a good build. Diablo 3 was a bad game cause it was to easy.

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You should go outside or play different games because you are too emotional about it…
D4 is out like 3 weeks and there is still no big major patch released
You are comparing a Diablo 3 10 years of updates and tweaks to a 3 weeks old game…

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I have to agree 100%. I was able to get through the campaign but only because the story drove it on, I have to admit it wasn’t fun. I kept waiting for the fun to kick in but it didn’t. The world and everything about it feels sterile and shallow. The spells lacklustre and upgrades meaningless and all the other ingredients that make a Diablo game …absent or deliberately removed because Blizzard don’t want you levelling too quickly or gearing before xyz.

Now that I’ve done the campaign there’s no reason, for me at least, to play. Really wish I had listened to my inner brain and not bought the game but my son kept asking me to play it with him, sadly even that was tedious because of scaling. The game looks good though in places but so do all modern games, esp the £90 ones!

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I must also agree. After the campaign (and also at it) all feels like is there to make you lose your time: you have to farm xp for ages, you have to move huuuuuuuuge distances for a small reward…

I try to continue, but holy crap… once you see what lies beneath the surface (farming during days to gain a single level…), its really hard for the casual player to continue playing :confused:

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D4 is hard? I think is the easiest RPG I have ever play until lvl 100…

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Maybe you like it or not, but Diablo is and has always been a grinding game. You can’t get to level 100 easily, you can’t get perfect gear easily. This game makes you play hours and hours in order to get those things.

In my humble opinion this game is not intended for casual players. You can, as a casual player, enjoy the game and do what you can, and that’s great, but if you want to get certain objectives, it will cost you hours and hours of play.

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As a casual player, I’d say you’re right about grinding being the main point. The way to having the most powerful hero possible, is through grinding. Always has been, always will be or else it wouldn’t really be Diablo anymore.

But also as a casual, I think the game works well enough for people like me. Sure, I won’t ever reach the top on anything probably. But I’ll get close enough. And I’ll get to finish the campaign, and probably all the side quests, and so. The full Diablo experience is still within my reach, without needing to “super grind.”

The only thing I’ll miss, is the chance to fulfill that magpie urge to have the shiniest gear ever. But it’ll be shiny enough.

And I believe pretty much all the casual players are like me, on this. Otherwise, they wouldn’t touch the game or they’d drop it right away. If someone’s a casual and they’re playing ANY Diablo game for any significant amount of time, they know this. They’re not stupid. They know, and they’re OK with it.

Heck, everyone in the gaming community must know Diablo is like this. Even if they never touched it. It’s about as basic knowledge as knowing the game is about killing monsters and looting.

And in the end, that’s a healthy separation between the casual and the grinders. The grinders do enjoy all that extra work, figuring out the best strategies to make the grinding super efficient, and so. They deserve the appropriate reward.

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If this game is too hard for you, you’re either mentally retarded or a cripple without arms. Also if you are angry about grinding in an ARPG guess what, this is not the correct genre for you and you should just move on. I can’t believe how ignorant some people are. It’s like playing Counter Strike and saying “Oh man, why are there guns in the game I don’t like that!” …