What is even Hearthstone?
Skill, or luck?
Mixture of both.
Skill to build a deck that gives you useful cards in almost, if not every situation, while minimizing the impact of bad luck through RNG or card draws. Learning matchups and strategizing for them is also a skill that gets one far.
At the same time though, luck can always be a factor. Top decking the perfect card at the perfect moment, having that random effect go really well, having an enemy get unlucky in their own RNG. Heart of the cards and all that jazz.
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Only luck…Skill has nothing to do with HS , should not even be paired as a word and makes the word seem like just letters. If you do not draw in a good curve you lose. If you do not have the expected outcome in a certain situation you lose if you do not draw exactly the answer in a given situation you lose.
There is nothing to be skilled about to just keep some form of removal for the situation shift or try to corner your opponent with board freezes…
The simple fact that HS has competitions on money :))) which by the way you should watch, it usually the match get’s decided turn 3-4, the casters know, the players know but they are forced to play until the end.
Let’s say it’s skill, and not just a RNG lucky fiesta, clown fest that it is now…What’s so RNG ish about deathrattle warlock ? You just draw cards, put that ooze out, summon everything… Opponent kills them ? No worry resummons them with at least 7-8 other cards that resummons them. You have silence, cuz you are a priest, great, good luck dealing with 5-6 waves of the same thing that you need to silence… < — Skill
Let’s see what’s so skillful about frost burn dk … You put the location down you win by value…If you start losing value, just freeze the board 4-5 times and just push damage…You win or don’t win you do the same thing every match … < — Skill.
Let’s take a look at evolve shaman… You draw your gnoll, you put it down, evolve it round 3-4 if the oponent has no clear you win…If you don’t you just wait for tiny toys + evolve again… Finish with your hero card … <----------- Mega skill required.
Let’s talk about unholy dk… Just spawn things on board, if you lose board, put marrowgaw down. If they clear that concede <------------ Developer level skill !!!
Let’s take a look at imp/curse warlock … Play cards…Just put something on the board and clear stuff with your curse generator cards…If the opponent doesn’t throw the curse they take damage, if they don’t clear the board they take damage. <— This is game designer level of skill…
Don’t worry, I can go on with even more retarded examples, but I think the Designer level nailed it.
People that think HS is a mix of skill and luck, or skill purely haven’t played HS in it’s prime … When it was actually a good game that was revolving around actual decision …
Now you just play cards on board and just keep some form of removal ( that in some cases pushes damage , this is why this aggressive cancerous meta annoys everyone) for your opponents shift turn, and they call it skill because they played against his opponent archetype in the past and they know what they have in the deck. Such skillful players, this is why they dweel the forums and are not in the official cr@pstone skillessmasters tour.
I always forget when I say that someone is a ret@rded game designer or developer that it can always be worse…Cuz Ben Broden used to be that guy and look what the current team of “exceptional” developers have brought the game 
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It’s a mixture of both.
Arena and Duels are quite skill-based.
Knowing when to spread out your board, and when to hold back. Knowing which minions to play to contest your opponent’s board, knowing your role relative to your opponent, counting your cards, going for card advantage moves.
For instance, when your opponent plays a big minion, the better option is often spreading out your board rather than focusing on killing the big minion. Because otherwise you’ll be behind on tempo. Unless the removal generates tempo by itself(for instance, Arcane Overflow).
Battlegrounds is also skill-based:knowing how to manage your Gold efficiently while developing your board, extracting value from your hero ability, etc.
Sure, there will be times when you draw a bad hand, but that could happen in any game
The skill is in knowing how to use the cards you drew (or the minions you’re given in Battlegrounds) to your advantage.
i say its 20% skill 80% luck
it is of course a bit skill as you can not just fill your deck with random cards and even if you have the right cards you of course must know how to use them and see the situation.
but after that its literally in the hand of the hearthstone gods and if you deemed to be on a eternal losing spree thou shall not win
people saying its more skill then luck are on luck-privilege and have no say in the matter
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You will never be on an eternal losing spree. Never. Because the matchmaking pits you against players who are also on a losing streak, once you start to lose.
As you win more matches, the difficulty of the game progresses, and your opponents become better. Because the matchmaking makes sure to pit you against players who are on a similar win streak to you.
That’s the essence of Hearthstone’s matchmaking. You can read into it whatever you want, but that’s what it boils down to.
This is the dynamic difficulty of the game: the more you win, the harder it becomes, and vice versa.
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Skill ? Thats the joke of the day xD
No matter you try control the board with minions, at some point oponnent will play a card that kills all minions, put a heavy card and win the match, and then you realize you waste 20 minutes of ur life for nothing, ahah
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If you think there’s 0 skill, then that also means you’ve never seen an opponent make a misplay, that you’ve had the ability to take advantage of to win a game.
If you believe all of your wins are solely down to luck, then that’s a fair enough position to take.
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Unfortunately, skill is absolutely void in HS. The fact you can just copy everyone elses deck from the internet and just instantly win a majority of the time, chucks all skill out the window…
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This is the essence of skill in Hearthstone:
1)Knowing when to play the removal for maximal effect and adding tempo to the board on the same turn.
2)Creating a decoy board to either bait out removal or tricking your opponent into trading in such a way that your removal next turn will have maximal impact.
3)Creating a board of minions that will force your opponent to waste cards from his hand to remove it.
- Playing a minion that would devalue your opponent’s weapon and would force him into unfavorable trades.
- Relying on a spell with random beneficial effects if you’ve got no other answers.
- Using discover cards so that they fit your mana plan on this or next turn, or just going for the highest value discover if nothing else fits.
Once you’ve done that,and done that better than your opponent, you’ve won. Have you played Arena?
If you think that everything I’ve described is just luck then I don’t know what to say.
You think it’s as simple as “one two three” ? It’s not.
The reason you lost to that opponent was because he was better than you.The reason you win a match is because you are better. That’s all there’s to it, and yes, there’s luck of the draw too. It’s a card game, after all.
What the detractors of Hearthstone are saying is that they miss the days when the game wasn’t populated by veteran players and they could win against the majority handily.
Those days are long gone. Most opponents you’ll face are pros, and they know how to use your misplays against you.
Wrong, you play Unholy or some aggro deck, close your eyes and place down any card you want to win. gtfo with this analyse jesus.
Well I know that’s not true because I have a ridiculously good record against aggro bots that do exactly that. Get someone half decent who plays the right cards and makes sensible trades and it’s so much harder to win.
This isn’t even mentioning the amount of times I see my opponents miss lethal.
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I wasn’t talking specifically about Standard. But even in Standard, you have to know how to mulligan depending on who you face.
And by the way, mulligan in Arena is also important. If you have only one 4 drop, you keep it. Because there’s less chance to draw it.
You’re having a problem against Shamans and Death Knights in Standard?Surprise your opponent by including tech cards that destroy Locations.
There’s always a solution.
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Yea , include useless cards that only counter 2 of their cards and practically dilutes your deck so that they can win faster :)))), you do get to see them lose value though while you fall behind the board…This guy…I cannot believe you still give advices and I bet you haven’t get over gold in standard.
Yes, where will this community be without your constant nagging about how everything sucks?
I can’t believe that people still think that there’s a deck that has a winrate of over 60%
Since when?
Why don’t you play that aggro deck that you loathe so much and I’d like to see you breeze to Legend.
Just slap any card and you win.
The hell you will.
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If you refuse to try new things, you will never improve.
I end up in legend with any deck I make (I make…this is just to prove you that I do try new tech before deeming it not rightful)…And I do not even play without throwing up…Doesn’t mean you give good advices or you play the game at a point were it matters to even have an opinion.
Why not show us how you tech against dk with a deck and reach legend ? Show us your deck tracker logs :)…After that you can talk, I will personally give you permission my pawn.
I bet you cannot even post a picture of the legend card back from your account :)…At least try to find a good one on google on the 150 page to make me even try.
P.S blood dk as a stereotype doesn’t suck, the fact that it is net inferior to any aggro archtype sucks…Deal with it, you just play for fun you never even try to play competitive to even reach any conclusion
ibb.co-sgmJftt - haven’t been able to play this month, didn’t even made my quests to be honest…this game made me so sick that I cannot do anything. Barely can make my quests lately.
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remove “-” and add “/” good luck son.
Not sure my trust level is high enough to post images.
My total card collection is sitting at 79% completion. It’s just the natural result of playing since the beginning.
I gain nothing from lying and don’t care about proving anything especially to people who belittle others.
Your claim that Hearthstone requires no skill to play is patently wrong because the cards in your deck are your resources and it’s highly important to know when and how you use them.
What you keep in your starting hand, what you discard, how you time your removals, when you go for card advantage moves, when you hold back and play slowly, when you trade, when you go face.
It’s skill.Skill that pertains to all decks, self-made or meta. A deck doesn’t play itself.
There’s a decision-making process at work. Sure, from the opposite side, it sometimes looks easy. But that’s not always the case. Put yourself in your opponent’s seat, would you have made the same move?
And believe me, I make plenty of mistakes, so I’m just an average Hearthstone player.It’s a constant learning process. But I have reached Legend a fair amount of times.
The first time was with Highlander Hunter.
skill certainly plays a role in the game and without it chances drop to 0,1% for you to win for sure but luck is really a heavy contender here as it really makes or breaks even with skill.
i play also since the release of hearthstone watching kripp and getting meta decks from hearthpwn but never seen legend ever
and yes i would say im far from being the best hearthstone player but if even friends who watch you admit that luck is against me when were a majority of player i face are able to top deck everything they need and that this kind of bad luck is statistic that low its almost impossible it kinda makes me want to buy a lottery ticked if i knew my luck was reversed for a day.
and of course its easy to blame all loses on bad play wile there probably plenty of situations were people were not watching that probably were just miss plays.
but the opposite is true to
if you win most of the time its easy to feel overconfident and think its just skill and forget about the luck factor to
as yes there are people with terrible luck in this world were the most ridiculous things go wrong out of there control
so never underestimate the power of (bad)luck
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My matches are ruined the second the match begins when not only my opponent has cards that can always counter my actions, but also when I cannot draw a single useful card when In my deck I have cards that can help me, but never show up.
Its like having a sword to attack your opponent, but only a single spot on the blade is actually sharp and the rest is foam.
As for Balance battles, they seem to like to pin me against those that will wipe the floor with me. So much for that. I might as well roll the dice to determine my wins.
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