The hps is seperate entity to valk, he says valk is op, the reducement of healing doesn´t impact the usefullness or impact of the ult, it just decreases slightly the aoe healing aspect of it. When he says valk is OP, its not cause of healing only and it is certainly not fixed with 10 less HPS per target.
Also i am still waiting for my post to get approved
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“9 m/s / 5.5 m/s = 63% increase”
“Nah, just read your thing wrong in my head I did it like this
11 m/s / 5.5 m/s = +50%”
“Just got confused because you added a plus to your original comment.”
“BTW thanks for being non toxic really appreciate it.”
I added a plus after the % cause actuall there is decimals afterwards, that is what X %+ means.
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You need to learn that people can read things wrong and not get triggered.
“You’re using false facts
The difference between walk and valk speed isn’t 63 procent”
This triggered me, not the fact you read it wrong, but you read it wrong, didn´t check your facts and said i was the one who was wrong.
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That’s impossible unless they’re being boosted.
No it isn´t impossible, it happened with hide big rezz players with Mercy 1.0 and same stuff with mercy 2.0. Negative winrate hundreds of games, yet on their career high having climbed from bronze or something to GM.
https://www.reddit.com
/r/Overwatch/ comments/6ju1h3/mercy_players_climbing_with_negative_winrates/
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“Who? Give me a name of a GM Mercy main that thinks valkerie is good.”
“That’s only one, if you look at other high ranked Mercy players (for example Animetic) they disagree.”
Bruhhh…
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Animetic seems to be far lower ranked in general than Eeveea, has not achieved multiple Mercy only accounts in top 500 at the same time and is by definition of both your and mine (experience vs skill level/rank) worse qualified to talk on the subject than Eeveea.
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He also seems to have achieved top 500 many times due to him queuing with others, i found it hard to find solo queueing instances of him reaching top 500. Where again Eeveea did it on multiple accounts with pure solo queueing and so on.
On a side note, how come you didnt actually link me any evidence of this Animetic actually saying valk is sh*t/useless/bad/worst ultimate ? Very importantly, you cannot use him saying “Mercys problem is her ress” or anything of that sort, you specifically mentioned “Mercy players saying valk is bad” So that is the evidence i need to see.
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“I wasn´t aware you couldn´t comprehend his reasonings for her being OP related to valk.”
“She’s OP because of rez not valk.”
No, as many nerfs have proven there were several layers to mercy being EXTREMELY op, her
multiple rezzes was one, them being instant was another, her GA speed and valking duration was third. The length of her beam with the damage fall off range of most heroes was yet another case. This is why all of these nerfs was introduced and still wasn´t enough. I do believe the core issue is with the rezz as well, but even if mercy had no rezz, but all the benefits of the last valk, that would still be an extremely good ult.
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“Wow you’re immature.”
“Only reply to me with facts” and then you do this.
But no, some bullets are gonna miss not all of them though, if the other player can do enough dps she doesn’t stand a chance."
I did reply to you with facts, thats why you did not let that part stay in the quote, i then used your own anology of how Mercy dps is not that great cause she “misses shots” on other dps, to show how mercys guaranteed constant 50HPS is enough to outheal quite a bit of things.
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“You’re forgetting that they have an entire team who will also attack you and your allies so no.”
“and some of these comparisons are just ridiculous.
Widowmaker- no charge 30
What Widowmaker only shoots with uncharged shots?”
- You´re forgetting the mercy has a full team to help her as well, so double no. Besides you asked for characters she could outheal i specifically stated attacks and things she could do that. I even left out calculating the average DPS of classes to show that there are still a lot of dps she is going to effectively outheal in a lot of cases cause of accuracy.
2.They might be ridiculous, like your reasoning. Not a lot of widows at my SR does it, some do at low ranks, but most importantly it is used as a follow up shot if you already hit/shot a person, to quickly finish em off. This can be outhealed in this case saving the person.
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“Yeah, Mercy’s ult is charged every 5 seconds. Can she (without her ult) heal 2 people at the same time? If so please let me know how, I’d love to know.”
How is this relevant ? Like actually try and read the argument again and ask yourself, why you said that.
- We are talking the ability to heal multiple characters at the same time, you said Mercy couldn´t, i said Mercy has a ult that lets her do it for more than 10s straight. I just proved you wrong.
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“Im gonna just stop it here, so people can see how stupid you are”
“lmao, I made one mistake and admitted it.”
““OMG, you’re so stupid” this is just gold.”
“BTW thanks for being non toxic, you really show us what Overwatch is all about.”
You didn´t just make one mistake and you certainly didn´t own up to that mistake. You made several, in fact the post i corrected right above this one, you just falsely still cling on to your argument of Mercy being unable to heal multiple targets, cause her ult is not something she has all the time.
Also you “Nah, just read your thing wrong in my head I did it like this
11 m/s / 5.5 m/s = +50%
Just got confused because you added a plus to your original comment.
BTW thanks for being non toxic really appreciate it.”
Further just shifting the blame on me, for doing something that made you make the mistake, it was “my fault” that you didn´t know what X%+ means
After this there was also the movement of Valk, where i said it was faster, you said it was hardly the case, i responded with the 63% proving it was very much the case, and you then responded back with it being incorrect. Multiple instances of you not admitting to your mistake and not even trying to either.
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Dark “I am not getting toxic”
Dark “Im gonna just stop it here, so people can see how stupid you are”
Apple “Y’all hear sum?”
Here you again cut out the sentence so it fits your wrong perception of toxic. The statement i said was
“I am not getting toxic, i am calling you out, you are defending opinions that contradict facts, i am going to call you idiotic for that, which is well deserved.
It is so bad that already one person has called you out on that fact.”
Being toxic was calling you names and a all kinds of bad stuff for no reason at all, saying you were a trash mercy main, that you suck cause you are low ranked, ETC, things which i have not done.
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If you are gonna respond to me again, come with real arguments based on some facts in game instead of trying to insult me.
Mention on insult made against you, that isn´t based on the fact of analyzing your own words contradicting, what is factually correct in game.
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Your post was still unproductive and taken out of context, if you wanna discuss, stop cutting off the post mid way, you only do this to make a point that is not accurate or true. It makes you look silly, which again outside people have already told you.
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The difference between walk and valk speed isn’t 63 procent”
This triggered me, not the fact you read it wrong, but you read it wrong, didn´t check your facts and said i was the one who was wrong.
See even when you tell a toxic person that they’re right they’re still not happy.
This triggered me, not the fact you read it wrong, but you read it wrong, didn´t check your facts
How would I check my facts if I read it wrong? jfc dude, chill.
Again as i already explained, i was mad that you didn´t think about your things, recheck your facts and anything yet still made two post dictating that i was the one in wrong about the percentage increase on mercy speed.
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“9 m/s / 5.5 m/s = 63% increase”
“Nah, just read your thing wrong in my head I did it like this
11 m/s / 5.5 m/s = +50%”
“Just got confused because you added a plus to your original comment.”
“BTW thanks for being non toxic really appreciate it.”
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Right here, you get the math wrong on the 11 m/s / 5.5 m/s = +50%” in your head, it was +100%, yet you say its MY FAULT “Just got confused because “you” added a plus to “your” original comment” There was not a single usage of some form of “That is my bad / my fault”
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Besides you asked for characters she could outheal
So technically she can outheal anyone if they don’t shoot. Yeah that’s what I was asking for.
Nah i showed you multiple things she can outheal at full throughput 100% accuracy and so on. A good example of how Mercy constant 50 HPS is still not that bad would be to do Sombras effective DPS calculations. This im going through is, what i did not want to do earlier, but since you dont understand, imma do it.
Sombra does 8 dmg per shot, shoots 20 shots per second therefor has a dps of 160 dps.
On average she has a 37 % acc and 8% Crit acc according to overbuff.
that means that she on averages hits 37%+8%=45% of her dps.
So she has a damage output in a regular flank of 72 DPS. with Mercy healing the target, that would make her damage output 22 DPS, it would take 10 seconds to kill the target in a normal situation, which means sombra would be dead way before that happened probably.
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On their twitter they said it. Just ask dude stop being so toxic.
https:// twitter. com/animetic/status /949155690802810880
(It’s out of context, but they’re talking about Valk
https:// twitter. com/animetic/status/ 1019736914029621248
(This one isn’t about valk, but about the 50 hps change)
Quotes from Animetic:
1.We all knew a nerf was needed but this is way too much. Moreover, playing Mercy will be the most boring thing as we can no longer make a difference. Prepare to get reported for playing Mercy because we’re about to be a troll tier pick far, far below where Torb and Symm ever were.
2.Who is smoking crack at Blizzard. How is it possible to they nerf the wrong things about Mercy 3 times in a row. Res is annoying. Unkillable moth is annoying. No one cares about 10 HP/s (making her even less impactful zzz). Guess what she’ll probably still be meta because of res.
First and foremost, not a single one of these relates to saying that valk is bad specifically, all he says is mercy is gonna be a troll pick. Which through the evidence of her still strong pick and winrate after jan 30, to the healing nerf in july, heavily disproves. So as i stated, compared to Eeveea this guy has no right to speak about balancing issues, as he is clearly a fanboy who is blinded. Mercy was still a strong healer throughout months after the Valk duration changes and no instant rezz.
He literally even states here, that what you say about killing valkyrie mercy is easy is completely false “Unkillable moth is annoying” ← this right here is a direct quote from a Mercy you directed me to, that you implied would know more about Mercy than me, saying that your opinion on Mercy in Valkyrie being easy to kill, is completely false.
What part of “Just read your thing wrong” implies that it’s your fault?
That’s a good thing?
And you’re clearly a blinded Mercy hater.
i never said that :), I said that if you’re a good hitscan and she’s in open view she will die.
Can you guys like add each other on FaceBook or something and just hash it out there? This has blown way out of proportion.
In the era of Brigitte, Doomfist, Hanzo, you guys still shill about Mercy?
They dont listen to their own forums about Mercy, people should be talking about this stuff outside of the forums more often.
Wanna Fix Mercy in a non-toxic way?. Allow her to Melee AND Heal/Pistol shot. at the same time. Done. More fun, more usefull. Will actually be able to do something else then MOTHING all around asking for help.
Calling out and shaming forumers and your whole post is off-topic and unconstructive… You’re breaking several forum rules, I suggest you stop.
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Well i am now silenced, cause my post was flagged for trolling.
WE NEED MORE HEROES with UTILITY! We get 1 - 2 heroes a year what is this some joke?
nearly all heroes added to the game has had utility…
I have the solution.
N e r f B r i g i t t e 
I’ve usually been playing games with 2 supports tops. Usually it’s a smack between gold and silver healing (of course). Today… I just played 2 games where we were 3 healers (I was Mercy, and we had a Brig and a Moira). I’ve played the entire first round (Blizzard World) without dying once, and constantly healing only to get smacked by the realisation that I had bronze healing.
For all the healing I did, I lost to a Brig and Moira without dying once.
Moira got her ult twice in the time it took me to get my first. Overall throughout the entire game I died twice. Less than anyone else on the team, and I still had bronze healing.
That was a shocking realisation that’s gotten me quite depressed tbh.
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So how about dropping the damage boost % and apply it simultaneously to the healing beam, would that be OP?
See, that’s you coming to the realisation that there is little causality in Mercys current kit, thus few chances to express skill and therefor there’s no enjoyment / fun. You reach a plateau with Mercy when you are surviving and keeping your beam on the targets that need healing the most, and yet you can still quite often lose your allies regardless. It does not have to be this way.
This is true for all heroes, of course… but players of other heroes can look back and think “Oh, I could have done this better.” You could have aimed better, or used your abilities at a more impactful time or in a more impactful way. This often isn’t the case with Mercy and it’s killing enjoyment and is bad design.
I knew she got crappy after that last nerf… I knew that her heals are much weaker, I felt it when healing everyone. I just didn’t know how much and to what extent until I got slapped with the reality that I can easily be outhealed by a couple thousand against a Brig and Moira.
true, but some have better utility than other.
consider this,
zen, has no cooldowns for his discord/healing orbs.
lucio, has a constant aura (healing and speed) and can wallride,and knock back enemies every 4 seconds.
ana, doubles healing and anti-heals with her grenade that has 6-second duration and 6 second cooldown when the effects wear of, and sleep dart that snoozes tanks.
moira, has orbs that have the lifespan of the cooldown (if its only hitting 1 person) and is capable of dealing with dps
and mercy, a 30-second cooldown to rez 1 person that makes her a sitting duck and can be interrupted and reset the cooldown.
why blizzard wanted to make rezz an ability, is a mystery to me and i consider it dumb decision.
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Ehh, I’m seeing two potential scenarios here.
1, You’re genuinely concerned for some reason that someone on the internet might “harass” me. If that’s the case, don’t be. The internet is a big place full of millions of people and subredits. Why would I care if I’m being smack talked on some other forum or subredit? It doesn’t matter to me, because I obviously don’t check that subredit. If these cowards want to come to this forum to try and “harass” me then they’ll get reported and told that they’re boring. ![:joy:](https://d1kzxbyyijk9k6.cloudfront.net/en/overwatch/images/emoji/twitter/joy.png?v=6" ":joy:")
2, You’re an alternate profile of a troll trying to generate some drama? ![:yum:](https://d1kzxbyyijk9k6.cloudfront.net/en/overwatch/images/emoji/twitter/yum.png?v=6" ":yum:")
Either way, I don’t see any valid reason why you felt the need to inform me that someone on the internet posted me on an harassment list or whatever it’s supposed to be. ![:sweat_smile:](https://d1kzxbyyijk9k6.cloudfront.net/en/overwatch/images/emoji/twitter/sweat_smile.png?v=6" ":sweat_smile:")