half of widowmakers tool kit is dedicated to negating the widowmaker players weaknesses
Crutch #1 her rate of fire a.k.a charge shot.
why is her rate if fire so high and don’t tell me its not since it takes her less than a second to charge up a lethal shot but you know what, she doesn’t have to do that since she can always just 2 tap you like a mcree with no damage drop off, she shouldnt be able to fire constant shots that’s not what sniper does so instead her rate of fire should be one shot every 1.5 seconds and make it bolt action like a real sniper instead of this bs charge shot that makesit so that the enemy is left with 5 hp but that doesnt cause she can immediately fire off a another shot
Crutch #2 her small hitbox. a good sniper will be able to win any long range duels instantly so why does she have a genji size hitbox that makes it hard to see her and hit her, range is suppose to be there cover nothing else
Crutch #4 Grappling hook to make her only weakness gone. her grappling is by far her greatest crutch since it makes it so that if a widowmaker does make the grave mistake of letting dive heros or close quater heros get close that she can just escape with no consequences for her mistake and letting her keep instant killing people make it so that her her weakness of being bad in close quater range completely irrelevant and don’t give me that bait it out or dont use mobility moves to engage bs because unless your genji you won’t be able to reach her without using your movement ability and doing means that you can’t chase her and that she wins and can take free shots at you
Crutch #5 her ult that cannot be countered. her ult is the only one in the game to have no forms of counter play in any way since her ults still active for the entire team if she dies, her ult has a near instant cast time so you can’t shut it down and the only thing you can do is wait it out losing valuable time and can make it so thelat a widowmaker doesn’t need to communicate with her team for flanker checks like a good sniper bit instead she can do it herself
all in all widowmaker is a character that people lie about by saying things like her shots are hard to land if you get close to her she’s dead and that she’s a high skillcap hero that needs a ton of help from her team to keep her safe when that couldn’t be further from the truth as evident by people playing her and rolling over people in quickplay and deathmatch and that she’s even used in pro play against comps that should be hard countering her but it doesn because her “weaknesses” are irrelevant
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Wait, what happened to crutch #3?
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First post, new account, no comp experience. Yeah i guess we should listen to this boy.
High ROF ? forgot that it has to be a HS to even one shot no matter what, you can easily miss, so it is no damage or some damage. Tracer can one clip faster than Widow can charge and fire a shot, so she is op as well ? no.
They already nerfed her grapple, she is still under immense preassure, when they have a dive team or some what of a dive team to constantly fck her. If she survives that and hits sick shots to fck up people, she absolutely should be rewarded. Widowmaker is one of the few champions who can with extreme skill, still outplay her counters, unlike Tracer, that until brig had no counters to fear, widow always has to fear, genji/tracer, sombra, Winston and D.va. Anyone who can challenge her.
She is easily countered yet has such a high skill ceiling being a aiming only hero. There are always more aiming to be trained, more to be had, ways to improve and shots to hit. If you get so good, that you hit it so often, then the reward should be there.
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I’ve said it a couple of times before, if you want to fix Widow (and Hanzo) and make them actual snipers, you gotta do it like this:
Widow right now has a linear progression in damage the longer she loads her shots. So with the following frequency, she gets the following damage/headshot damage:
0.50 - 12 - 30
0.55 - 19 - 48
0.60 - 26 - 66
0.65 - 34 - 84
0.70 - 41 - 102
0.75 - 48 - 120
0.80 - 55 - 138
0.85 - 62 - 156
0.90 - 70 - 174
0.95 - 77 - 192
1.00 - 84 - 210
1.05 - 91 - 228
1.10 - 98 - 246
1.15 - 106 - 264
1.20 - 113 - 282
1.25 - 120 - 300
Here’s what (to me) is a sniper: someone who carefully places every shot and who deals damage with those well-placed shots. Not someone who just spams and hopes to get a lucky one-shot. To encourage proper aiming, you’d want a quadratic curve (192*(x-0.5)^2+12), leading to those values:
0.50 - 12 - 30
0.55 - 12.5 - 31
0.60 - 14 - 35
0.65 - 16 - 41
0.70 - 20 - 49
0.75 - 24 - 60
0.80 - 29 - 73
0.85 - 36 - 89
0.90 - 43 - 107
0.95 - 51 - 127
1.00 - 60 - 150
1.05 - 70 - 175
1.10 - 81 - 203
1.15 - 93 - 233
1.20 - 106 - 265
1.25 - 120 - 300
As you can clearly see, properly aimed shots still do the same damage, but the random bursts get severly hampered. For real Widows that can actually aim, nothing much would change. For Widows that rely on spamming sniper shots, it would.
I didn’t quite do the maths for Hanzo, cause he’s a bit tougher to do with his bow, but it should follow along the same lines.
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Widow is fine. She’s a very hard sniper to learn and get great at so I don’t see anywhere where she is OP or broken or needs changing.
A widow who has great aim can devestate the enemy team and force them to completely switch up their comp just to get the Widow. It rarely happens in plat/diamond, I’m guess it’s more frequent in higher elos.
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hard to play doesn’t mean balanced!
i don’t understand why so many people think this bs
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another bs post that doesnt make any sense
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this is my pc account which i only played on pc during the free trial im actually a console player
Even less reason to be talking about widowmaker and her crutches.
but that’s the problem all the “high skilled” hero needs is good aim in order to carry while you see other heroes require a lot more to reach there full potential can’t carry like an Ana
I guess so. Widow can just stand back and with great aim, carry away. But don’t you all agree she is super hard to be great at and to carry with?
not really as i already stated she has everything she needs to nullify her weaknesses and her shots are no harder to land than any other hitscan she isn’t the easiest but she isnt hard to play that’s why you see widows at all ranks sure not all of them stomp games but the fact thats common to find them stomping all kinds of comps in any game mode is telling
To the contrary, The amount of times I encounter a Widow who absolutely dominates the game and carries their team is very very rare. I’m in high plat low diamond.
im in plat but mainly play in quick play and i see them every other game and you constantly see it in pro play where a widowmaker kills the other widow and its an automatic win since the widow doesnt any other threats
because you’re not paying attention. I’ve never won a single game where they had a widow and we didn’t. they don’t have to kill everyone. they just get kills easier than any other character in the game with half the aim of any other character in the game. 3300-3800 main (SR is meaningless when it comes to characters that don’t require game sense or knowledge like widow, by the way.)
Again aim doesnt mean balance lol
I just noticed in my games when I rain havoc as widow, its really often bc if Winston /dva dives me, they are coming solo.
And there are games where genji and d.va stick to me for the whole game.
Widow is imho handled like sym turrets.
If its not hitting ignore it.
If its hitting focus it down first.
I also play a lot of tracer, where widow is one of the easier targets to kill.
Team struggles against her, I try to give her not 1 silent second of time.
I’d say with enough aim, she can become a bit of a nightmare (looking at how owl pro’s nail the shots)
But she directly improves with aim skills, which tbh is a big skill.
Otherwise your aim pro, in gold just clicks heads as mccree/ashe 24/7.until they climbed to where this aim belongs.
And to be fair, we have heroes which don’t care about aim, not sure about positioning, and there are heroes which just focus on aim.
Ppl pick widow bc theyr aim is better than the awareness and positioning.
You don’t pick widow bc your gamesense is amazing. You better play tank then.
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yeah nut then you have to realise that all they need is good aim to stomp un like many other and while yes diving can work that only if they don’t have an escape route
How about I give you the answer of no