Guys make sure that blizzard sees this! It would really improve the player experience!
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Scoreboard or bust. Stop trying to invent creative ways to hide stats.
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Not really useful. It would be useful to a player, as a get better tool, but not really anything beyond that.
Why? Well, if enemy team is much weaker, or not really trying, or are already in the “report hero X for throwing” - there’s no way you’ll achieve stats you usually do(or average hero stats), same like when enemies have a leaver … but you’re not doing poorly.
Some sort of scoreboard, or stats(various) that we can compare against enemy team’s stats would prob be much better.
If we want competitive game, and if we want to be competitive community, arguments like “but it would be used for shaming” are … ridiculous. There’s no shaming. If someone doesn’t like teammates making comments on them playing poorly - they shouldn’t play poorly, or they should get better, fast. That’s competitive behavior.
I think that’s ok, what do we need “beyond” that ?
Reasons for blaming other Players ? (like a Scoreboard would provide)
please don’t…
I really like the Idea.
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Isn’t that the point of it though? To improve?
True, but in that case you won, you generally want to review lost match so you can evaluate what mistakes you made to ensure performing better in the future.
Well looking at the current gameplay, medals purpose is just that “I got gold medals, therefore I’m god” but it doesn’t mean that any other member of your team wouldn’t achieve more on the same hero.
That as well can vary and be inaccurate. Your healer might have more healing done due to your team having no/bad tanks, which also reflects on your dps performing poorly compared to the enemy team. There’s way too many variables in the game to just have an accurate scoreboard so some resort to blaming everyone else but themselves.
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Overwatch is not some special snowflake game which is soooooooo hard to comprehend a scoreboard will tell you nothing. It is not harder than, say, Dota 2 and there is a simple scoreboard there which tells you a lot. Hell, I doubt it is even harder than Blizzard’s very own Heroes of the Storm and a scoreboard is sitting there where you can compare everything between your team and the enemy.
This precedent is nasty, I don’t want it to become the norm, I don’t want fragile people to en masse demand something like this in future multiplayer games, I don’t want it to succeed.
Scoreboard or bust, any other alternative can go straight to hell.
You gave absolutely no argument what so ever, just accused I don’t know who of being fragile, behind the safety of your monitor, that’s rich.
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Well, so you are basically saying literally every other multiplayer game has no argument for having a scoreboard and they must be rid of it? Come on, thats what you are saying, the whole industry is wrong and only Blizzard got it right.
I’ve never said that, all I said is it wouldn’t be as accurate. You said nothing to disprove it, you gave no argument for either side. All you did was try and accuse people that disagree with you of being this and that, that’s a sad way to participate in a discussion.
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And I ask again how is Overwatch so darn special a scoreboard wont help? It literally steals ideas and mechanics from other games with scoreboards, what makes it above that?
I’m sorry but I can’t debate with you. I stated why it might be inaccurate, I also never stated it wouldn’t help. You just seem to be looking for an argument.
If you didn’t understand, this is where I criticize blizzards medal system, you’re not even reading what people are posting.
Was that first one a question? If it was, that’s a weird way of asking it.
I never said it was special, I would just prefer an accurate system. What is it? I don’t know, that’s why we’re all here on the forums to discuss it and find a solution together, but people like you
do things like this, which kills discussions because it’s only your way or highway. Then buddy, you don’t belong in a discussion as you have nothing to contribute to it.
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So you don’t even know what you are arguing about? I am confused, you are not against a scoreboard, you are not for it but you still come at me.
I came at you? Excuse me?
I am arguing for a solution that could be accurate, it doesn’t have to be a typical scoreboard or a medal system. That’s how discussions work, you don’t have to attack a person making a statement, you attack the idea if you disagree with it and offer a better solution. Not just random examples that might work all the while calling everyone else weak.
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Cause its the truth. If one solution has been constantly appearing throughout the decades and has been implemented in every game other than Overwatch maybe Overwatch is in the wrong here? I’ve frequented other forums too, nowhere I saw something along the lines of “remove scoreboard” .
So in a nutshell: you are trying so hard, so hard to brainstorm a solution to a perfectly working formula with the only explanation for why this solution is needed is “muh feelings” . Sorry, weak doesn’t even cover it, coward is way more accurate.
Coming from someone who failed to understand everything I mentioned, calling someone a coward behind the safety of internet. I would be amused if you were the first.
I didn’t play the other games you mentioned, maybe heroes of the storm once or twice. Regardless, instead of going out of your way to insult others in order to make yourself feel better, you could have provided examples of how and why the scoreboard would work in ow. Droping in insults within a discussion alongside changing peoples statements in order to make them look bad is extremely weak and holds no grounds in any sane discussion.
You did your absolute best to sidetrack a topic, well done.
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Not talking to you if you are not anti-scoreboard. Every single person who is on the anti’s side is a coward, plain and simple, because the only reason, the only single reason we are denied one is to “lower toxicity” .
Blizzard are making such a bad precedent here. If no-scoreboard takes off at best future multiplayer games will be divided to “hardcore” with scoreboard and “kiddie” without. At worst the future looks grim, a future where you have no clue how you are doing, how your enemies are doing and how your teammates are doing and the only thing to go for is your gut which could be wrong.
Thanks Blizzard and everyone who supports this atrocity.
For future, let me help you out.
This is how, ideally, discussions work.
Person A: Makes a statement
Person B: Sees a flaw in the statement and raises a point
Person A: Finds a solution and response
Person B: Either agrees or disagrees
Person C: Gives own idea on improvement or criticizes another flaw
At the end, ideally a solution would be found
I’m not against the scoreboard, but you’ll have to do much more to present it other than just calling everyone who disagrees weak, because you’re just making yourself look simple minded with no argument to offer for a discussion.
Again YES the medal system needs to go, if the scoreboard can account for all what’s going on in the game, by all means implement it yesterday. But I gave a simple problem that the scoreboard might overlook and no solution was offered except for attempts of offending me.
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You know, this simple problem is something that can never be accounted for, right? Its numbers in the end, they cant be 100% accurate. Thing is they are way more accurate than what we have, what this guy suggests or every “system” which measures anything but what is happening in the game at the moment. The whole defense for less information and less clarity is “muh feelings” . There is nothing else. I don’t need to write an essay to show that, its perfectly clear to everyone with a brain but they either think it is a necessary evil to “reduce toxicity” or can see through the BS and call it out.
In the end it is what it it, I cant convince anybody who is already anti to become a pro, it is impossible. All I can do is call them out.
Not true at all, you can’t with that attitude. Calling them out won’t do anything except make you look bad, because that’s not how discussions work.
Any score shouldn’t be related to feelings, that’s where both of us agree, especially in a competitive environment. Might as well not keep score if it’s based on feelings. See you and I see some aspects the same, but you didn’t even have an opportunity to find it out because you were more focused on trying to insult me.
Toxicity is handled with the flawed report system, so that shouldn’t be an excuse.
However I still prefer stats that will show me what I’m doing wrong, than what others are doing wrong, with the idea of improving myself.
not really useful? what are you smoking? you just say right after: “it would be useful for the player, as a get better tool”. what else needs there to be? a Scoreboard (ala death match) like Bustar here suggests is useless, it just feeds the ego if the person thats on top that’s all, it doesn’t tell the other 11 people if they are doing well or not. this should be used as a “get better tool”. That would be beneficial for everyone, even Jjonak. If you can’t see that you are blind.
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