Je suis une joueuse belge d’Overwatch 2 et j’ai appris que les loot boxes allaient faire leur retour avec la saison 15. Cependant, étant donné la législation en vigueur en Belgique concernant les loot boxes, je voulais savoir si elles seront disponibles dans ma région ou si des restrictions spécifiques seront appliquées.
Pourrais-je les obtenir via des événements en jeu ou d’une autre manière ? Merci d’avance pour votre réponse.
Probably you cannot buy loot boxes for money. AFAIK the Belgian law is not averse to loot boxes per se as long as they and their content are free of charge.
So if you get loot boxes purely by playing and doing quests etc, and real-life money is just for purchasing items in the store, it should be fine.
As the law was passed because loot boxes introduce minors to gambling. The cost, or lack there of, is irrelevant.
Of all the stuff in the Spotlight thing… this was the dumbest.
I get people wanting them back, that is fine, but it is morally repugnant.
I understand what you’re saying completely.
Gambling means indeed for money (or for something other of substantial value), so they introduced minors to gambling - because you could purchase loot boxes for actual money.
I had a quick look around and what I could find was that the reason of the lootboxes being forbidden was that they were “primarily bought with money”.
Are you sure the cost doesn’t play a role, do you have any source for that perhaps?
Specifically a BBC news article from back then stated what I already assumed: “Those that can be bought for real money must now be removed from video games in Belgium.”:
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43906306
yes I think this is how it has worked in other mobile games so far.
so… when we buy children stickers for the album (pokemon collect, for example) we are encouraging gambling because they can’t complete the collection decided by anonymous packs. 
it’s a bit of a strange discussion if we then talk about paid content and random content. honestly? it’s bad to have paid randomness, but I find it aberrant to teach that the standard price list for a skin that copies/pastes digital content costs more than a t-shirt you wear every day. 
but… yes, I would definitely have given a certain priority to changing the way we use credits (too useless) and coins (too useful for too many things). It’s unbalanced in principle, and the gallery has some very serious flaws in the rarities listed (such as the fake legendary skins).
Whatever you believe is irrelevant. The laws are about introducing minors to gambling. They were introduced because these companies morally stank and were exploiting the addictive nature of children.
Yes. In short.
Look, if that’s what you’re into, fine. But that’s is what the laws were aimed at protecting.
Sorry maybe too harsh about it but i think these laws just are stoopid as long as no $$$ is involved. dont wanna get banned lol.
But so from that bbc link yes! It definately looks like the laws are only for when you can actually BUY boxes! so as long as they keep money out of it it should be fine.
On peut juste le savoir la semaine prochaine. Mais je dirais il va pas avoir de soucis autrement ils auraient pas fait ça.
La loi est appliqué d’une façon bizarre en Belgique, on dirait qu’ils choisissent les jeux ou la loi doit s’appliquer ou pas.
C’est marrant car on a crée cette loi pour protéger les enfants, mais c’est les jeux destinés aux adultes qui sont sanctionnées.
Lost Ark? COD Mobile?
Des jeux PEGI 18 destinés aux adultes bannis a cause des loot boxes.
Clash Royale? Brawl Stars?
Des jeux PEGI 7 destinés aux enfants, et ce sont les jeux mobile les plus joués en Belgique.
Il y a même des recherches par rapport a cette stupidité de loi: https://online.ucpress.edu/collabra/article/9/1/57641/195100/Breaking-Ban-Belgium-s-Ineffective-Gambling-Law
Je dirais Overwatch va pas avoir problème, specialment si les loot boxes ne sont pas vendues directement en échange d’argent.
Je jouais Overwatch 1 et j’ai ouvert centaines de loot boxes en Belgique.
So you’d be happy with kids getting addicted to gambling…
That’s the thing, it’s not about the money. It’s about morals.
And I get it. Most gamers don’t look past their own noses. It’s abundantly clear with what people make theories up about and complain about. They don’t look at the bigger picture.
This is just a morally bankrupt attempt to engagement bait by blizzard.
This, plus the bots in new player console games are both grim decisions, but I get why people support it. They aren’t interested in anything but themselves. Just the way the world is atm.
It’s not gambling if the loot boxes don’t cost money.
That’s like saying christmas presents are gambling, cause you don’t know what’s in it, every year you get some.
In OW (other than buying them) you got a free loot box once per levelup or something like that. Basically like a christmas present.
It is, but there’s no point arguing that as that’s not what the law was about.
You can defend loot boxes all you like. They were outlawed in some countries for a very simple reason. Children.
The way round it is to either not have them, or enforce a higher age rating.
So I’m Belgium and other countries, one of those 2 things will have to happen.
But it’s all mute. OW players aren’t going to be interested in morals. They only want what benefits them as an individual because they can’t see past themselves.
Ultimately, you aren’t getting anything good in these boxes. There is only 1 reason to bring them back… Engagement. People cry about EOMM, which isn’t in OW, because they do crap like this instead.
Ok, but which country are you refering to where they were outlawed even if they are ONLY for free, and NOT available for real money?? Also forgive me for being blunt but it seems u’re never answering to actual points of ppl in this thread like neither to the ACTUAL point of the OP nor to the point of the zorange dood nor to what i just wrote lol, but only repeating some stuff that’s not rly directed to what anyone asked or said oO? Especially when someone showed how u were wrong about an assumption u just ignored that and went like “U CAN THINK ANYTHING YOU WANT BUT IN THE END THE WORLD IS DOOMED” yeah okay? that’s not really a discussion…
Belgium and the Netherlands have banned loot boxes, and Japan has banned a specific type of loot box.
Belgium
Belgium’s gambling law defines loot boxes as gambling, so they are banned.
The Belgian gambling regulator has struggled to enforce the ban.
Some companies have remained non-compliant with the ban.
The Netherlands
The Dutch Gaming Authority banned loot boxes in 2018 because they violate gambling laws.
The Dutch administrative court ruled that loot boxes can be considered gambling, and that they can be fined, banned, or criminally charged.
Japan
Japan’s Consumer Affairs Agency banned a type of loot box called “kompu gacha” in 2012. In this type of loot box, players must win several prizes to combine them into a more valuable prize.
China
China has regulations that require the probability of winning prizes in loot boxes to be published. They also require daily purchase limits and increasing reward probability as the player buys more loot boxes.
Other countries have taken steps to regulate loot boxes, including:
Austria, Germany, Australia, Taiwan, South Korea, Italy, and The UK.
Just a quick summary for you.
Like I said, people are morally bankrupt these days, so it won’t matter to them.
But if you want to gamble to get a duplicate recolour of a skin that doesn’t do anything to enhance your gameplay. That’s on you.
Then there’s the engagement farming element. Something that annoys people, but seemingly only at specific times that suit them. Because, as I’ve said many times. People don’t look past themselves.
Errr no lol. Didn’t you read the link or google it? Belgium only defined loot boxes THAT CAN BE BOUGHT FOR MONEY as gambling. so boxes you get for free in the game are totally allowed. And you even quoted the china thing “PURCHASE” see… it’s like u ignore everything ppl bring up even if it contradicts your points - or is it maybe exactly cause of that?
Also so do u think xmas presents are gambling too? you get them on each year lvl up too, almost.
It’s actually, if they obtain something of value from the box. Not if the box was bought or given.
Free scratch cards with a prize are still gambling.
But none of this is important, and the reason they are challenged is because of introducing minors to gambling. You wouldn’t want your kids introduced to smoking, drinking or other harmful addictions.
For the same reason I don’t buy the replica shirts of the football team I support, as I think any form of gambling advert is wrong.
Like I said, you can think it’s a good idea. I don’t. I hate this lazy form of engagement baiting. Same reason I hate MR for giving people bot lobbies when they lose a few games. But introducing children to gambling is gross.
What ure doing is what u call a strawman i think. First, the stuff in it cannot be sold and it’s not money so no. Second, i dunno how often to repeat this but belgian law says it actually depends on whether the box is bought or not, and doesnt care about what you want it to say lol.
It looks like u have some problem to comprehend facts, at least when they’re going against something u said before. But im not a psycho doc so i cant help u with that, this is just a waste of time so I’m outta here.
I wouldn’t call it that. I’d call to me expressing why I think loot boxes are morally grim.
Matters not. Don’t introduce dangerous addictions to children.
If you’re ok with that, then that’s on you.
And if you want to be specific…
"The Belgian Gaming Commission declared that buying loot boxes with real money is gambling, regardless of whether it’s direct or indirect "
Buying a battle pass and getting loot boxes is the indirect purchase of them. So they’ll be illegal in Belgium. That being said, it’s a law nearly impossible to enforce because companies like Blizzard and EA simply do not care and players will just use vpns and such to get round it.
And people have the audacity to call me a “shill”. Yet people bending over backwards to defend this garbage lol
You have no idea what you’re talking about, as usual, so please stop, it’s embarrassing.
If you support morally bankrupt ideas. That’s for you to deal with.
Don’t be a “shill” and blindly support their garbage.