My choice is Bastion.
What do you think is the most skilless?
Torbjorn
(sorry Torb players)
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Genji, no question, Spam spacebar and M2, then Q to win
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No hero is “skilless”, then all require different skill sets to “git gud” at.
Some are just less punishing when you don’t play well.
People like Genji, Doom, Rein… you make one mistake, you die.
Where as people like Moira, Brig, Mercy… you can do pretty dumb things and still get rewarded for your stupidity (although if you just “git gud” on them, you will find so much more value). This sort of negative reinforcement of mistakes is part of the reason people start blaming outside factors.
You do dumb things but get value for a couple of matches… Suddenly in your head you think that is the “right” thing to do… Then a better play comes along and hard punishes you for your mistakes… Then you start blaming them for cheating, being smurfs or whatever this weeks excuse is… When in fact, someone has finally just punished you for the mistakes you were always making.
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Widowmaker. All you have to do is click heads. ez.
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“Easiest” hero to play which lies in the same category.
As I said. There are heroes that get value even if you play dumb.
They are the heroes that require tweaks.
Effective cool down management and game sense should be rewarded. Where as someone like Brig, you get get rewarded for holding M1 down while watching something on YouTube.
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Nah, you get demolished if people throw anything in your direction.
Heroes with “automatic” things are the ones that require less skill per value. Bastion and Torb specifically.
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Probably soldier. His kit should be familiar to 99.99% of gamers who have ever played an FPS. No strange mechanics to learn, no double jump this or alien ability that, just a guy who can run and shoot from his gun, simple. A little good aim, a little good positioning and he can be a huge factor in any game.
Any other DPS have some kind of strange new abilities, echo, tracer, genji, all take a while to get good at, but with soldier I felt I knew what I was doing since day 1.
Not saying I disagree. But ANYONE can get value out of Brig. Until she gets her nerf, she just enables boring lazy comps. They need to find something more effective to help her out.
A Torb turret is annoying, but if you can’t aim you are only going to get small value.
Bastion might be high damage, but he requires tracking, and map awareness to get value. Watch as players who haven’t got a clue sit in one place the whole time and just get rolled. (it is why Bastion Sym strats can be effective for a short period. A Bastion constantly moving about is much harder to deal with).
Thats simply false.
Its one of the heroes which feeds way more the lower the ranks go. She dies way too fast in the open and the value you get … is ultimate for the enemy.
Nah.
The other 2 heroes get value for nothing. Bastion only needs a lot of aim in way way way way higher tiers. With just “decent” aim, you can trash people up to diamond. Sit there and BRRRR behind a shield.
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That is because people in low ranks play her badly/incorrectly.
You can’t really use the low ranks as an example of what a hero can do as they sometimes don’t even do the basics right.
This is why they balance for the higher ranks. Because people there are playing the heroes “correctly” and are able to maximise their value. That is when you start to get an accurate data set to figure out what needs tweaking in terms of balance.
Ranked below diamond is just QP with people sweating over a number. Nothing wrong with that, means you just get to play what you like and “meta” isn’t relevant. But the other side to that coin is you have to accept your experience is pretty irrelevant to the devs when looking at balance.
The amount of times I’ve seen teams try Bastion behind 2 shields… Only to find that we are not standing in front of them and they have nothing to shoot at. That is where if you just focus on winning the fight first you can utterly wreck low ranked Bastion players. They just sit in the same place. So easy to just slow down and coordinate a dive. A simple Sombra hack, then a Reaper or Genji going in with a Monkey/Ball/D.Va usually is enough to overwhelm them.
You realise this works against your point right?
The higher up you go, the less stupid people is, the positioning is better and Brig … is still a MELEE hero.
In higher ranks she explodes in 1 sec, literally, when caught out of position so yeah, she is BAD in lower ranks, she is even WORSE in higher ranks.
In GM is literally the only place where Brig gets out of the “trash” can. She doesnt get value ANYWHERE but there, where people know how to play around her and protect her dude WDYM? 
Again, this is HARD to see below Diamond.
1 Bastion switching spots every minute can decimate entire teams. I know this because I’ve done that myself. By the time they try to “counter” me, I rotate and hide.
In higher ranks Bastion is just bad, but because the hero itself is “skilless”, way way way way way more than Brig. Try to sit in ONE place with Brig and spam M1 and E and see if you get ANY value.
… hm?
Whats that?
Oh you got Trashed as Brig doing that in any rank? Yeah thats right.
Cmon dude, you are trying to argue against the sky being blue.
PS: Ball and Monkey do NOT counter Bastion. Not in this universe at least. Not in any rank.
In higher ranks she gets trashed?
When caught out of position? Then that doesn’t mean the hero is trash… That just means the player has made a mistake, or is the trash one lol.
Have you been watching higher ranked games? She is in pretty much every game, with Bap, enabling Orissa Sigma double shield and making tank players question their life choices. Because if the enemy roll out with that 4… you pretty much have to mirror or you just can’t survive.
There is a reason people groaned when she got her buff, because they could see what was going to happen. And shock horror it did. Hence why it is being reverted quickly
I clearly didn’t say a hero counters another hero… I said team work and coordination counters it easily. Because it is a static play. Which makes it easy to dive and deal with.
I find it strange when players see a hero, and think that 1 individual hero is the counter… Forgetting that the best counter is pretty always to just play more coordinated than the enemy, and then play faster and more aggressive than them. If you take space and map control before the enemy has a chance to set up you win the fight.
Nope.
She has basically “no position” because she cant survive anywhere dude. She gets melted easy the moment she is in LOS of the enemy. And if she cant trigger inspire, is basically a negative gain.
… What?
I literally watch 5 T500 OW streamers everyday for a bit and she is pretty much nowhere except some maps and against some niche comps WDYM ?
Look at the pickrates in Overbuff, she is WAY behind Ana, Mercy, Lucio and Zen in GM and if we pick any other rank = Trash (last position).
Sorry mate but reality proves you wrong 
The issue is that nothing you said is a “counter” to Bastion. You are arguing counters now because you brought up to the table. Dont go offtopic, dont run around, we are talking about SKILL INVESTED PER VALUE obtained.
Reality is clear:
Bastion and Torb are the most “skilless heroes” objectively.
Now if you want to say Brig in your opinion is skilless, live your dream. Thats fine and all replies end here.
Your first point invalidates everything here.
Brig is in literally every game in the highest ranks. You just have to go over to Twitch now and you will see for yourself. I’ve just quickly checked 10 streams. 9 of the games have Brig Bap on both teams.
And, as I have stated, I don’t think any hero is “skilless”. They all require different skills.
The only heroes people think are “skilless” are the ones they are dumb enough to get caught out by repeatedly because they forget about team work.
You say Bastion and Torb… But that would imply you don’t regard map control and map/positional awareness as much of a skill… despite it being one of the more important skills to bring to the team.
No it doesnt, but live your dream.
Theres a “most” modifier before that word mate, you should read it properly.
It means “closer to X” concept. No hero is skillless because even moving the mouse / aiming and moving can be considered a skill bla bla.
That statement you just threw is pointless.
Absolutely false.
Awareness and map knowledge is NOT a hero skill, therefore those cant be counted.
If you dont know (like you clearly dont) what the OP means, then ask. Otherwise it gets weird because you are arguing something 100% disconnected with reality. Like I said, and this is a FACT:
Heroes with “automatic” things are the ones that require less skill per value. Bastion and Torb specifically.
Bastion gets a passive dmg reduction and a huge bullet/mag capacity by pressing shift so yeah. Thats how reality works/is.
Since you are now running around something unrelated to the topic, we are done here.
Yeah.
I am done. You clearly haven’t got a clue.
Awareness and map knowledge are just as, if not more important that hero kills. Because a well coordinated team taking good map control and being aware of what the enemy had and playing aggressively at the right times will roll pretty much everyone they meet in ranked. But they are hard skills to learn and use effectively, which is why it doesn’t happen often in ranked.
Projecting much? Clearly more than you dude, I am Diamond on 2 accounts by the way so yeah. Looks like a “you” issue
Nobody said they are not important, a strawman is not going to work in your favor, because its a fallacy.
Like I said:
Awareness and map knowledge is NOT a hero skill, therefore those cant be counted.
Statement stays:
Heroes with “automatic” things are the ones that require less skill per value. Bastion and Torb specifically.
Now rant all you want, this is muted.
Byeeeeee.
Wow. Rank. So very proud of you.
Buying 2 accounts and still getting the same rank. High five.
Also. 3050 is just Plat with a different colour icon. But keep at it. You’ll get there one day. Maybe when you realise that turret positioning is a skill, it is called map control… you use it to zone off parts of the map… Like Junk spamming into a zone.
And if Bastion is automatic to you, you might want to turn your aim bot off. Pretty sure tracking requires awareness and prediction of players movement… Just because it is high damage doesn’t mean it takes less skill… It is just the same skill needed to aim with Zarya or Sym,