You do realise Bastion can just, simply turn around quickly?
That is why you donât jump him alone. And you donât jump him from 1 direction.
You really think a bastion is going to be out in the open?
If he is so hidden, just play LoS and donât give him anything to shoot out till he has to move. then pounce.
Not really a difficult move.
LoS⌠Some maps where you need to capture the point, he can easily sit in the corner and cover the whole point so âStay hiddenâ, he wonât die that way.
Then he is in the open. Dive time.
Doomfist
Iâm with you 50% on this. His turret gets insane value in lower elos, and even in higher elos, a good turret placement can snipe a low health target or even provide enough of a distraction for your team to secure a pick.
However, Torbâs primary and secondary do in-fact take aim and practice to get used to.
See youâve just proven why Torb isnât âskillessâ.
âA good turret placementâ requires map awareness and knowing what lanes you want to close off.
Could also be that your enemy are just dumb, so a good placement could be just out of reach.
But the skills needed there are good map and positional awareness, and being able to quickly read your enemy.
Genji.
No contest really.
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No hero is âskill-lessâ some heroes just ârequireâ different sets of skills to get the best out of them. Donât be a sheep and think skill = point & click, if skill was aim I would suck 
so in order to keep up I use my other skills to outplay those with superior aim.
Tracer and Genji. The âNyah nyah, canât hit meâ button on Genji, both of their insane mobility, Tracerâs âI messed up but that doesnât matterâ button.
And of course the way their players go bawling to the forums any time theyâre not uncontested in a backline. Having to stay a little away from the Brig? DELETE HER FROM THE GAME? Ana can kill Tracer with two shots? NO MAKE IT THREE SO ITS EASIER TO REVERSE THE DAMAGE AND ANA HAS NO CHANCE! Zen and Bap have just enough damage that if their aim and reflexes are better than that of the flanker, they might have a chance of surviving if that flanker recklessly yeets themselves into the backline? REEEEEEEEEE unfair.
So unskilled lmfao. Also the only mains who when you headshot them as Widow they get in the chat immediately like â???â âNice hacks bro, reportedâ because heaven forbid anything be allowed to kill them.
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The high mobility requires no skill?? Interesting thought.
No strange mechanics to learn, no double jump this or alien ability that
Ironic you say this about a hero that does have a double jump/ rocket jump.
Thatâs probably the most complicated part of his kit which still is much easier to figure out for a newbie than wrapping their heads around kits like Genji, Tracer, Sym, Echo, etc, who are all very different niche types of heroes. I meant S76 is just overall the most simple kit to learn but yes the rocket jump can take more time to learn.
This is where skill ceiling comes in.
Yeah it is âeasyâ to run about and click things.
It is hard to know where to run, when to run, be able to click head consistantly (rather than just spraying about).
The whole âskilless heroâ argument is a little pointless. Because the biggest skills in this game are all to do with game sense and map awareness. If you are exceptionally good at those, it doesnât really matter who you pick. You will still be good.
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Yeye all heroes require skill but whenever I see kill cams or POTG from reaper I always think what a dumb single braincell hero he is.
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Haha I get where youâre coming from.
But the skill is being aware that your enemy are dumb and have wasted the cool downs that counter him. Then you go in and take people out.
Moira⌠no skill required!..
honestly i donât know, for me i think itâs tanks but iâve played tanks quite a bit.
like winston, get close and donât die basically.
reinhardt walk forward and when youâre close start swinging a pretty much no-aim weapon and donât die.
itâs just a lot of strategy and mindgames ontop of it all that makes tanks harder to play imo.
itâs just sad that tanks are so underplayed that the game is crippled by it.