New and already feeling bad about this game

Hey there, I bought this game 3 days ago, and today I got level 25 (was rushing it so I could try out some competitive play).

I’ve played 3 competitive games (all of which were losses), and in 2 of them I was harassed for “throwing the game”, to the point of being threatened with a report, which apparently means deliberately making your team lose? Or something along those lines.

Is it normal for people to be so toxic to new players? Because I’m pretty sure everyone started out at the bottom, before getting to the point where they can call out other people’s skill, or lack thereof.

I’ve had to turn the game off for the night because of how attacked I feel (which might be because I’m over sensitive, or just not used to this kind of toxicity).

Just seems a shame for such a popular game to have such a bad reputation for some of its community’s members being so negative.

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Welcome to Overwatch friend!

If others suggest you switch, contemplate that suggestion. Sometimes it’s a good suggestion. If they do it rudely, tell them to get lost and mute them, carry on playing your game, have fun. It’s your game, play whatever hero you like, but just make sure to get decent with them first in places like qp and arcade. Don’t try out your first few hours of a hero in comp.

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Haha seems reasonable enough. Since I’m so new, the “first few hours” is basically all the time lol. Currently my favourite hero to play is Sombra, for which I get a lot of hate about (apparently she’s not particularly liked, who knew lol); partly because I’m still learning how to best play her, and partly because she’s just not a favorable character to have on your team.

Oh, did mean people called you bad? Shame on them!

Ye … people don’t like level 25s in their comp games … especially DPS mains
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Exactly. If it wasn’t so popular people might have fun without constant crying ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And the story unravels …

Interesting. Sombra was my first hero too, because she reminded me of Skye from Paladins. Sadly, back in season 5 when I started playing, Sombra didn’t feel very good to play at all. She had a 15 second invis which felt so horrible and short. She’s had quite a few changes since then, like not being able to build EMP from health packs, tighter spread, endless invisibility, faster hacks, etc.

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The best thing to do when just starting out is to practice in qp first. Get one hour (i.e. around 6 matches) on every hero, then decide who you like the most from that.

If it’s still Sombra at the end of that practice, then knowing who to Hack is crucial to playing her. Target heroes who depend on their abilities to get kills or mobility like Genji, Doomfist or Wrecking Ball. The only exception to that is Bastion-Hacking Bastions and making the game unfun for them is practically what Sombra was added into the game for.
(A good tactic is to drop your Translocator by a Hacked healthpack, stealth around the enemy team, Hack a key target and put some bullets into them, then Translocate out before they can kill you.)

As for the comp tryhards, just ignore them. I treat competitive like a challenging version of quickplay because I get too damn stressed out playing it otherwise. So many sweatys trying so hard to win (because winning is everything).
Just know that there’s a difference between someone asking you politely to switch off and someone demanding that you switch off. If they ask politely, at least consider going with their request.

Also, welcome to Overwatch :V

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I remember starting a second account for dps, and for some reason I was placed into silver. I played sombra which was considered really bad by silver players and received a lot of toxicity even though I was carrying really hard, and earning 60+ points each game (losing next to none for losses). I remember people asking how many points i got for a win and joking that I had to get 0 points for wins :S.

Dunno why I’m telling this story, but your story just reminded me of it. I was thinking it was kinda funny how the players was so oblivious to what actually was happening in the game, and just assumed that I was somehow the problem.

I guess what I’m saying is that they were being irrational, but the thing is that toxicity is always irrational, no matter if you actually lose games for your team or not (as long as your not doing it on purpose). Just means your sr is wrong if you are being the problem, and neither way is it a reason to be toxic.

So if you are able to just disconnect yourself from what they are saying, because they aren’t really saying anything, then that might help. Not easy to do tbh, I’m still struggling with it.

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Hey man, same problem here, only had the game a couple weeks myself and mainly stuck to QP and arcade to learn the mechanics of a few heroes. Tried comp a couple times, won 3 out of 4 so far, but haven’t dared plug in a headset as yet.

If you want to play with someone else who doesn’t really care about winning etc and is learning too let me know, would be happy to share some of the hate with you.

PSN dakeos

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Meh, the game may be broken under certan aspects, but if played with friends is still one of the funniest game out there.

Just pick the comp you and your friends like more, and play.

And competitive in this game is garbage so you may completely ignore it even tho, i suggest to do at least the placements, and then put your profile to public, suddenly you may get hatemailed by plat brigs that trash talk because they have higher SR, and its funny AF.

Don’t mind them too much, you have a mute/block/report button and I suggest you make use of that, you will see a lot of “thank you for reporting” messages if you keep on reporting people that deserve it.

But try to understand them being toxic :

-If you take DPS slot, a lot of people consider it the carry role and think of playing tank/supp as a chore. Blaming the DPS is usually the go-to response for losing a game… I posted about it : Playing DPS in ranked

-If you are a newbie you can still get matched up with smurfs or “stuck” people, who know the game pretty well and expect others to do so.
I, for one, have a lot of knowledge about the game, and a thousand hours in, still stuck at my inital rank after 2 years of playing, so I do mind playing with newbies a bit…

Solutions :
-find a group in LFG, or better, a community discord (or wait for clans lul)
-stick to QP for now and try to learn, either while playing or by watching videos
-mute voice and text chat… Not a good idea for teamwork though
-grow thick skin, disregard fools and carry them

Welcome to Overwatch I advise you to stop playing this game before you become addicted, I am addicted and it is like drugs you use it yourself but you do not want others to make your mistake on themselves.

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First off, should they have done this? Obviously not, only the people without empathy would argue that, but let’s face it, we’re not talking to the sociopaths anyway.^^

That being said, we can barely influence how others treat us, so let’s look at what you can change, because the truth of the matter is that games with toxic people are fairly rare. I think not a single one of my 20 comp games this season was toxic, and only 1 or 2 of the 40 games last seasons were. So it’s possible, but how?

First up: level 25 just isn’t enough. You should know all the maps (from both sides if applicable) and all the heroes. Not by heart, and you don’t have to know where every single health pack is, but you should at least have a sense of direction with at least some knowledge of the different angles of approach. As for the heroes, you have to at least know everyone’s ultimate, their effecitve ranges, their roles. Otherwise, how do you know who to target and when?

Then there’s your hero pool. Sure, DPS heroes are very easy to learn and you don’t require much knowledge, but you should acquire some versatility at least. Generally speaking you should also assume that other players have more experience than you, so they might actually know better whether or not your pick is effective against a certain enemy composition. Unfortunately, many people will just use you as a scapegoat and tell you to swap even if you’re on the best option already. Getting knowledge about who is effective against what takes quite a bit of time, but there are a few principles to adhere to: Pharah is countered by hit scan, Snipers are countered by shields, mobility heroes are countered by crowd control, Moira is good at healing people that group up, Zen is good at healing flankers, etc.
Tanks and supports require more game knowledge and awareness, so you will have a harder time with that if you lack experience. On the other hand, your impact on the game will be larger and people generally like it if you play roles they don’t like to play (and most people main DPS, so it’s always hard to find the tanks and supports).

Comms are an important factor in controlling your environment. If you’re silent and don’t even listen to voice chat, that can quickly escalate. Setting a positive tone can have a huge impact on your team - just by talking and not just going on an ego-trip, instalocking your main, but instead asking what the team thinks they might need. That’s where it helps to have a deep enough hero pool to facilitate all of this. Obviously, comms are something people shy away from when they feel that they don’t have much to add, and you will at this point in time, know less about the game than others - so I understand that you can’t be as proactive as veterans might be.

And then… then, there’s the cesspool argument. At level 50 you will be a lot better than at level 25, unless you don’t pay attention when you play or always blame the others for anything bad. If you play at 25, you will more likely get placed in Bronze, where everyone else is just as bad, and since they are bad, they probably are too bad to realize when they make a mistake. They are probably too bad to see, if you do a good thing. They are probably bad, because they like to throw blame around, so it’s no fun playing with them.
So take your time to get better - learn the maps, learn the heroes. Play against bots until you know all the maps and if you want to try out heroes in a chill environment. Play arcade if you want to improve in certain areas: FFA DM if you want to practice your aim (which is a bad idea, because aiming just comes naturally anyways), 3v3 elims if you want to practice a certain role (Roadhog - Zarya - D.Va for off tanks, Rein - Winston - Orisa for main tank, etc. Use the LFG feature to get a balanced group with 1 tank + 1 healer + 1 DPS), Mystery Heroes if you want to deepen your hero pool and learn about what counters what without studying, Mayhem if you want to test your ults (D.Va comes to mind), No Limits if you really, really want to learn more about the mechanics of a specific hero in weird conditions.

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also they might have thought you were on a second account and assumed you have played the game lots before and it happens to me all the time when playing on console and thats why im trying to switch to pc, I think they should just keep their mouths shut if they havent got anything good to say

Thats the biggest thing i see in new players.
Like if I’m watching a friend who just plays for fun, and plays mercy.
All good, but he doesn’t even know guardian angle, or ressurect.

He also doesn’t know that phara/junk deal high dmg.

When he watches me, he understands nothing but looks cool.
Since I know, i have to dodge that df punsh.
I know mercy then bastion, then junkrat is my priority, before i even engage.
Bc this is the biggest struggle for my team.

1h on each hero can be enough, if you understand the mechanics of these heroes.

And one thing new players definitely don’t know, is how the elo’s difference from each other.

Below gold, accuracy is not a thing, and strange comps are normally.
Gold/plat is a huge player pool, which can play decent, but not amazing.

Diamond, and it starts to feel unfair.

Higher:
Idk… But these players know all the strength and weaknesses, all the sightlines, all the spots, everything.
And they play with a valuable team comp.

Another point is the jobs of heroes.

(which is why i loved old mercy op times)

Flanker = supports / backline (sniper)
Hitscan = phara and long range targets, help to finish supports
Projectile = deal dmg, maybe even spam dmg.

Sniper = get kills! (phara)

Tanks are also a thing, i had a Winston in my team, and he always dived everything, except widow, which poped 2-3 heads each push.

(just from a plat player, so it could be a bit different)

But you should have a Decent knowledge about the full game, before really getting into competetiv.

Qp isn’t that bad imho. (dps main)

Oh, the irony…
you, my friend, are one of the toxic people ¯_(ツ)_/¯

(PS if you’re just going to act like this maybe take a break or go outside it might help you to feel more relaxed and cause you to be less agressive)

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it depends you know,if one is so trash that they get called out multiple times for throwing than I think those people should keep practicing in Quickplay until they get some basic skills,reporting doesn’t mean anything don’t worry Blizzard barely does anything about them and like i said, competitive is the real deal,people will get pissed off and will be competitive and toxic in it.

People don’t believe that new people genuinely buy the game any more. They presume you must be a “smurf” and so a grandmaster or master player who is playing in lower ranks to throw for fun or “learn” a new hero at the expense of other peoples competitive play.

Not everyone is so toxic to their teammates, but you can meet some really awful personalities, particularly in comp. Report those who are constantly hostile towards others in your games. If the negativity is affecting you, mute individuals, leave voice or mute chat if you have to. It’s not ideal, but it can help you focus and block out the vitriol.

Some people host scrims and OW competitions unofficially too. It’s competitive game play without so much of the toxicity. You will get to see how great the game really can be and you don’t have to be a pro to join most of them. There is a lot more team play in scrims too. The only draw backs are that you won’t actually get a competitive rank or earn gold weapons that way. Small price to pay for sanity though :heart:

Don’t ever play on the weekends, that’s when this game becomes even more toxic and you get the right egotistical players.

In FPS games that’s called regular behavior - someone’s bad, you tell them they’re bad. You rekt someone - you tell him get rekt …
Now that you take your gaming personal, that’s your problem ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Why? You probably had classes on “toxic masculinity”, right? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I haven’t no. This was actual advice because it has been proven that taking a break or going outside can help you relax. You should try it considering you’re getting really aggressive over a comment. Just stay calm and don’t get so defensive, i feel like you’d have a lot more fun that way :blush:

That isn’t a good thing…
I don’t think telling every bad player you meet that they’re bad is going to help anyone. Maybe try giving them advice on how to improve and what to work on.

I don’t? I just made a comment saying how ironic your post was. I think you’re the one taking this personally. (That wasn’t meant as an insult)

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