Stop with auto-aim heroes

Ana targets have a to large hit box, to be called hitscan
And Projectile weapons probably need more skill then hitscan. (also harder to cheat)
Tracer/Genji arent hard to play because they have to easy escape tools and just be close range based.

The game has always been more about game sense and teamwork skills then it was about technical/aim skill

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Are you honestly saying that Winston requires more skill than Widowmaker? This is a new low, come on, I cant believe you can say that.

Wont comment on Mercy, seen plenty of them with master/GM icon and 0 average damage dealt so yea, great aiming skills for sure.

There was an interview not long ago where they asked a lot of pro players in the league what they think is the hardest hero to master.

A lot of them said Winston

There are only a few players who can play Winston like Miro.
But there are lots of players who can play Widowmaker on high level.

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Post the video with date and everything. I very much doubt it, during the dive jumping in as winston and destroying 200 HP heroes alongside d.va was child’s play. Pretty much everybody agreed that he and d.va were easier to play than the corresponding DPS. Now he is not hard either, just pretty useless. Before the dive? Don’t even know, he was maybe hard before his epic shield buff.

Oh, is this why when dive was popular there was always a dedicated winston and dedicated d.va player on each team? You cant even compare them because they are not supposed to be fighting each other unlike widows.

Yup, i’m definitely saying that. Gamesense, teamplay and game knowledge are required to be good at winston. You can be the best in the world at aiming (point and click) at widow, but if you have no gamesense, you’re screwed.

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See, people like you don’t understand that things like gamesense and positioning are required for the aim heroes too. You are not in a shooting gallery where everything moves by itself, you need to have all these skills no-aim heroes have and more on top of that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehBcfWSF-dM

Tracer gets 6 mentions, Genji gets 4, Winston gets mentioned twice, then there’s mention of Widow, Zenyatta, Reinhardt and D.va all once…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkXwdqNMP_o

This second compilation mentions alot of Mei, Roadhog and Sombra as being hidden jewels/underrated by the OWL players.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPO9eOPGoGc

This last vid focusses on “easy” heroes, and points towards Soldier being the best/easiest hero to get into in regards to developing gamesense/mechanical skill/positioning. Neither Winston nor Widow get mentioned here except for a bit where someone trolls professional ragetroll xQc by poking fun at him for maining Winston.

Funny fact, here, but most of the easy hero picks are mechanical skill centric. Meaning the “mainly aim heroes” are regarded as easier by the League.

All available information, plus personal experience across multiple SR’s and MMR’s, and by simply watching Overwatch content, points towards Winston being regarded as a hero requiring quite a bit of skill across the board.

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Sure he requires some skill, just not on the level as someone like widow.

And what people like you dont understand is that different roles require different levels of different skills, and all those skills are equally valid :slight_smile:

(its not all about aiming)

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No, you are implying that no-aim heroes somehow require more positioning and gamesense than aiming ones even though in most cases no-aim heroes posses better mobility.

Having better mobility literally requires you to have better gamesense and positioning to factor in while you play in order to use that mobility to the best effect instead of having (misuse of) that mobility blow up in your face. What you said is literally proof of the point you want to debunk…

I think his point is “i can shoot straight so i’m better than everyone else who chooses other characters”

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It’s kind of funny too, because the aim heroes have the best mobility in the game too, so by bringing in this whole new thing to factor in, he’s having it blow up in his face on two separate levels;

  1. Having mobility on a character makes positioning and gamesense relevant (Just as well as actually not having any mobility, for that matter). If they see you use that mobility, they know it’s on cooldown, and if you use that mobility without knowing where you’ll end up, you might just suicide, etc. etc. etc.
  2. The best mobility in the game by far is possessed by the so-called “Aim heroes” he’s supposedly championing, like Tracer and Widowmaker.

Making this game a low skill celing, is exactly why this game has so much success XD
Its like that by design. You cannot whine, about that, when OW is just a casual game.

The fact that blizz pays to build up some esports BS , doesn’t mean the game is competitive.

Because you know esl, does some esports event even with crap f2p like zula.

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If by “casual” you mean “easy” i call BS.

Call it like you want.

What about aim heroes like McCree?
And what about mobile heroes with less aim? Like Doomfist or Winston or D.Va? Even Brigitte and Moira, two heroes with little aim have at least decent mobility, not to mention how versatile said mobility is.

EDIT: Mobility can mean better game sense, but can also be a reason why people do foolhardy things, it is there to help you if you do something bad. In a sense it does promote bad plays.

Additionally, the ‘auto-aim’ heroes all usually have big setbacks and weaknesses to them. For example, Moira has low damage and Symmetra has a shorter range.

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Moira has big setbacks. Totally lol

Can’t be arsed to read everything, but it sounds like a lot of people are A: getting raped by Sym and Moira due to complete lack of awareness and B: confuse “shoot” with “aim.”

Go buy a first person aimer, if you consider aiming the most important skill. Aim Hero is cheap at Steam.

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