I think the minimum is 2 healers because if your only healer dies, you’re at a major disadvantage. Having 2 healers in your team is great, you lose one you’ve got a back up. Having none is being in the danger zone. So I get what you’re saying, but I think 2 healers is the minimum in the real world.
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“More players will just devalue the power the players have over the match.” Exactly. one player can’t throw the game something that everyone complains about, zero room for messing around in 6v6 that’s why you have so many one tricks because they never have a chance to learn other heros because most heroes are extremely difficult to play and in 6v6 your throwing the game by playing your non one trick
Thats why its on 6 v 6.
If its 3 v 3 the other healer will have just as much presure on him. As so the other 2 roles.
so your against the idea of even trying it on the ptr? i thought the ptr was gonna be used to try major changes not just be a bug testing site
I don’t have the patience to get caught up on a silly concept like 3v3 being the minimum, especially considering I’m talking to you guys who I know are the sorts of people who will just be difficult for difficulties sake. If you can’t / are unwilling to discuss it from the point of view of the positives then I cba to try to convince you. ![:yum:](https://d1kzxbyyijk9k6.cloudfront.net/en/overwatch/images/emoji/twitter/yum.png?v=6" ":yum:")
To reasonable people who actually want to debate, 7v7 would add in a lot of interesting comp combinations without changing gameplay too drastically.
What we’ve currently got is a 2/2/2 situation and if you deviate from that you’re typically going to be at a disadvantage. with 7v7 you can mix things up a lot more and get away with more variation in team set ups.
It’s like in D&D. You need your warrior, rogue, wizard and cleric. More hero slots allows you to mix things up, maybe swap out more heroes, add other more unusual types ectect
I personally don’t want to try 12v12 in overwatch for the reasons I mentioned. I’m not saying the no one wants to try it but those who play overwatch as it is supposed to be played as a team game are unlikely to like the idea.
7v7 doesn’t seem to be an extremely large change but it can have serious consequences that are difficult to foresee. 6v6 is extremely well tested (this is a 2 years old popular game). 7v7 obviously provides more variance in composition but giving more choices to a bunch of casual players isn’t necessarily a good thing. Most people don’t like too many choices even if they say so.
And you don’t really have to convince me or “us”, you have to convince Blizzard if you want that mode. I’m simply describing the cons because people are often willing to see only the pros of their ideas. Quite often the only pro is “I think it’s a good idea”.
6v6 is clearly not working judging by how unhappy people are about the game
Those who are unhappy with 6v6 would be unhappy with 12v12 too. Most of them simply don’t like team games. They could be much happier by playing games that they actually like.
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Yea, I already know the cons. As I said, I think the chances of this actually happening are below 1%. I’m coming at this from the potential positives though. As I already said, it’s EXTREMELY easy to pick apart this idea, but that’s not why I bothered bringing it up. I brought it up because I can see potential positives. I’m not interested in convincing Blizzard or you, I’m interested in having a decent debate. You bring nothing to the table that isn’t already obvious to me. I KNOW the maps aren’t designed for 7v7 and I KNEW you’d pick up on that.
Maybe it’s a hard thing to understand because people are conditioned here to only try to dismiss things, but in doing that you can overlook potential positives.
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overwatch is too much of a team game. Your playing with random people so 6v6 is a dice roll each time. there are PLENTY of team games that people have no problem with. The fun is too fickle, if you get a good team and they all play good heroes cuz 1 bad hero can ruin the team and you get a map you enjoy its fun but all those stars need to align, most of the time your just angry playing it
This is why it’s a good idea to use LFG or accept generally worse team quality when solo queuing. I’m not angry when I use LFG and I’m not angry when I play solo queue. Because I have realistic expectations. If I didn’t like the game then I had hundreds of other games to play.
I like the fact that it’s a complex team game. Should we have no games for those who like complex team games? There are already tons of other team games with much less complexity for those who prefer that. Why do they want to turn OW too into another game that is very similar to an existing one?
“Why do they want to turn OW too into another game that is very similar to an existing one?”
Because clearly this isn’t working, your that one guy that’s fine with it lol
To me the cause of all the Overwatch problems are the people that after a win feel the right to mock the losing team.
The devs imho are doing good to fix broken and unbalanced heroes and reworking the ones that are considered ‘‘troll picks’’ so to me the cause are just the people. Whenever I will meet someone that after a win don’t write anything then I know the game is about to become better
but is up to the people to learn two simple words:
HUMILITY
RESPECT.
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Excuse us for point out the cons and how easy it is to abuse such a consept.
That must be so bad of us, poor you.
I forgot its much easier to discuse this with someone who’s only going to care about the support aspect. Yeah so un-bais’d.
As for 7 v 7 i dont even need to play it to know that its going to be the same as it is for the 6 v 6. It will run the same cookie cutter comps as the normal mode but with a bonus cookie.
6 v 6 is what made overwatch what it is today, every peny got invested into that after they removed the one hero limit. Not sure if you use arcade, but if you do you’ll know how extreamly hard it is to balanced out some heroes on there. Its not like topics bashing on how good brigittes is on DM don’t exist as it is.
Do you have to sugar coat everything?
Yeah sure ok.
2/2/2??? After 3k SR 2/2/2 is a myth its only 3/3 and 1/2/3 at best.
So if this game was 7v7 the comps for high rank will mainly be 4/3 or 1/3/3 and i can bet all my accounts on this.
More hero slots allows you to mix things up? Yeah that’s ture if its 10 vs 10 not when its +1 spot. And i can tell you exacly what will happen. 80% of the Dps in this game will go to the trashcan. Hanzo, widow, junk etc will be the only DPS that will matter( range spamm dps’s or Aoe once), Ulty war will be brutal. Topics like “i dont know whats happening” will start poping up. Shield tanks will be pointless, Rez will actaully be a balanced ability thou (ill give you 1 
for that) AOE dmg and especially healing will be a must pick. D’vas def matrix will be so much better as well since shields just wont hold the spamm damage.
Like its hard enough to play troll dps like Mei and Sym as it is. How are they going to go close to the fight in anything more then 6 v 6…
On top of everything els we said till now.
If you think that roles will see = plays outside of low rank games, you are dreaming big. (talking with the current game balanced in mind)
I persoanlly will hate (or not show any intrest at all) for a mode like this. And excuse me for expressing my opinion. But i don’t enjoy it when people try to lowkey boycott blizzard wasting money for modes to replace QP when it reality there the game console thingy and you can make a custum game however you like.
It will be x 100 times better if this OP just asked for the cap on player to be increased for custom games. But giving ideas that will make QP worse will still be a no from me.
Have fun continuing to discuss 7 v 7 just try to easy on the sugar coat not everyone buys into that.
I think it’s clearly working. I’m not the only one who’s fine with it lol. Even alone in this thread. But good luck getting your idea through to Blizzard. If it’s that good then they’ll put it into the game.
How can you look at youtube and the forms and think that the majority are fine with the game as it is? lol been 3 years and very little has changed on a fundamental level
I dont think its fine.
But im sure this will make more people mad.
How about this game starts to punish trolls? Sounds like a better investment for me.
You wont be troll immune with more players. Yes 1 troll will matter less but so will 1 good player. And what happens if you get 2 trolls? Still the same old problems.
This is the kind of stuff that ptr is meant for, not for just strictly bug testing
They don’t want to add Role que to QP once role que gets added to ranked game mode. What hopes do you have that this is going to make it?
Blizzar really care about QP’s que timer. They like jerk off to it or something idk. Keep that in mind.
Role que = more que time = better match quality = a no from blizzard.
more then 6 players a team = more que time = match quality??? = a ?? from blizzard.