The cause of all of overwatch's problems

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There are always things to improve in any game but I don’t think we should turn Overwatch into Quake, CS, or Fortnite.

Have you ever thought that these complaining players might be a vocal minority? When it comes to the forums a lot of players register only to complain. Most of those who are fine with the game are simply playing it without posting messages on forums or creating any youtube videos.

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You mean the youtube videos by huge overwatch youtubers with millions of likes complaining about overwatches problems? Don’t sound like a vocal minority to me man lol

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I haven’t seen those videos with millions of likes but then you’ll have easier time convincing Blizzard with those I guess?

Being a youtube streamer of course automatically makes someone a competent game designer. After all, those streams’ goal is to make OW better and not attracting more subscribers and views with videos with catchy titles.

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does being a random forum poster make you a competent game designer? Look at any of those videos and evrey single one of them have a like ratio of 100 to 1. The. Majority. Are. Not. Okay. With. The. Game. Currently.

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I never claimed to be a competent game designer. Simply listed some cons. I’d have listed pros too if there were any in my opinion.

Since I worked on AAA games for more than 6 years I have more clue how game designers work and how they treat forum posts like this, but this doesn’t matter because I’m only a random forum poster (this isn’t sarcasm or something similar, I really mean it).

Can you post me a link to a video with millions of likes?

The like/dislike ratio often happens because a lot of players who viewed those videos might have searched for the title. Like a “mercy main” searching for “mercy needs buffs/reworks”. A lot of those who don’t agree with the idea (like “mercy needs buffs/reworks”) probably never searched for that thing so haven’t even seen that video.

What do you base this on? Can you link me some statistics? Regarding the number of satisfied/unsatisfied players? Or the number of players who want 12v12 or the number of players who want overwatch to be similar to CoD, Quake, CS or Fortnite?

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I say you need 2 healers because if one dies, you have a back up. A team without a support vs a team with a support is going to get destroyed. :rofl:

But I mean, it’s you… so… this is my point. There is no reasoned debate to be had with people like you. Everything has to be a battle, you peddle easy answers and have no cause for seeing both sides of an idea.

Then you try to blow things out of all proportion, as if 1 extra hero slot will cause all these problems like make AoE more powerful and blablabla… but we already knew that. A toddler knows the impact that adding more heroes to the game would create. That’s beside the point though, as those things can be balanced.

1 extra hero slot would not cause the world to implode, and if I was talking to a mature adult then they’d be able to identify the potential positives rather than going off on a rant about the obvious issues that it would cause. It would cause issues, but… we know… :sweat_smile: It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to regonise those issues, but they’re hardly beyond fixing so why go over them in an attempt to shut debate down?

Anyway, whatever. There’s obviously nothing constructive going on here so I’ll let you lot continue to chew the fat. It’s not going to happen anyway, but it could have at least been a fun thing to discuss.

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So you expect Blizzard to create only games that belong to your favourite genres? I hope you realise that the game mechanics of Fortnite have nothing to do with OW so comparing them makes no sense. Fortunately Blizzard doesn’t force anyone to play its games.

Applies to all online games, especially team based ones in which you have to cooperate. I’d include those players too in the idi_ts category who play games they don’t like.

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  1. Some chaotic brawly Arcade would be fun at times. 29v29, every team has every hero exactly once. Needs to be a specific game mode though. And a specific map.
  2. Changing the base game to 7v7 would be really interesting to think about. It’d also enable role queue more easily: 2-2-2 + 1 flex. It wouldn’t cover all possiblities (one argument against role Q was always that 3-3-0 or 4-1-1 are aspects of the game that wouldn’t have been able to be established in a role Q system that forces 2-2-2 -> 2-2-2+1 is still not perfectly free, but a lot better than 2-2-2 alone. And let’s face it: below 2 tanks is bollocks and below 2 healers is almost always bollocks.)
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You are the type of guy that wants and tries to be smart, but fails,

Criticizing some aspect, recent ones, of the game, doesn’t mean we don’t like the whole product.

Not like i was expecting logic beeing applied in a blizzard subforum. In eu nonetheless

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You claim that the game is trash and Blizzard has no clue on regular basis. Doesn’t sound like simply criticising some aspects.

Which aspect of OW do you like? Mccree? The skins? The art design? Because these are far from being the most important things. The core mechanics you want to change are unlikely to change.

You don’t like the core of the game. This is a 6v6 game and you want balanced 1v1 when this game is clearly built on 1v1 imbalance (countering, rock-paper-scissors). Then the genius (you) comes and tells us the “wannabe smartasses” that Blizzard has no clue and we need “1v1 balance”. You are better of sticking to games you like and don’t try to play the game designer.

You are the one without logic behind his statements and your claims often seem to contradict each other. Before trying to improve a game you should first understand how it works.

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Kappa

20 useless characters

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imagine a teamfight with 24 people. most people’s pc’s would crash from all the effects. also it would cause more server instability.

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The latest one from a former pro player that plays more than you and me combined with the vast majority agreeing with him and he saying a lot of the stuff i’m saying, how much more evidence do you need that ppl are not happy with the game currently? on top of the reduced player count The State of Overwatch - YouTube

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When a pro players says “a”, its the absolute truth.

When a normal players says “a” needs to “git gud” Just uninstall bro" “cry more”

Ow community top notch

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So if someone is famous then he must be right. Pro player or not, the fact that a player doesn’t like the game doesn’t mean that the majority doesn’t like it. And where are the million likes you were talking about? None of his videos seem to have more than a few ten thousands of likes.

He is right in one respect: heavily team based games and teams of random players isn’t the best combination. He didn’t experience the related problems while he was playing professionally. There are a lot of games that support solo playstyle, why should we turn OW into one of those? Automated matchmaking has limited power when it comes to creating better teams, that will always be inferior compared to a team built by a human who knows how to do it. But does this mean that we shouldn’t have team based games. Why should we turn OW into another game similar to already existing shooters with much less reliance on team mates? Why? Those who want a classic FPS have dozens of other options.

Between 9:30 and 10:00 he mentions that there are players who expected overwatch to be closer to a classic FPS game and that certain abilities make you rely on team mates to save you. What a surprise in a team based game… I don’t think these are problems for everyone. And there are a lot of classic FPS games for those who want one.

Between 18:55 and 19:15 he mentions the real issue: team based games aren’t the best for random teams of casual players. Especially when some of them prefer solo games, one-tricking, or a classic FPS. They could perhaps get another game mode that supports their playstyle but that would take away a lot of creativity compared to the current competitive game mode (compositions and hero switching) and would have to potential to make a significant part of the current hero pool useless in that game mode.