Nah, you just want a game where you can 1 trick 100% of the time and not get countered at all right?.
You should be aware there are many counters to Tracer already but they actually require some skill to use so for people like you there is Brigitte.
look her stun is op because her shield has 600 health and with that big hitbox is a pretty broken ability now her healing its not laughable infact its pretty good but the thing in a solid team comp she’s not the main healer wich brings me to my next point when she’s not the main healer she is absolutely broken because with that stun and self heal and shield she becomes a pretty good dps wich i’m pretty sure that’s not support’s job and obviously dosen’t make her op
Go troll somewhere else scrub! all your post are about how “hard” she is to counter when she is by far the easiest to counter!!!
Funny how everyone defending brig seems to be a condescending silver player. You dont add anything to any topic, so why are you even here?
Brig is gonna get nerfed and there is nothing you can do about it. The “nerf” she recieved didnt affect her winrate at all.
The higher you value your SR and strut around saying people with lower SR shouldn’t be responding, the more you make SR irrelevant by proving to most of the people that read this that no matter how high your SR is, you still sound like an idiot when you cry about a hero whose hard counter is walking backwards and running up a flight of stairs and how all that shiny SR hasn’t given you the clairvoyance to figure this out
Below this post will be a reply from Lojboy who will say something defending SR/attacking me personally. Please note that anything he says is irrelevant. Someone’s personal SR is totally and utterly irrelevant to the thread topic or to any discussion regarding a character, so is attacking a person making an argument without tackling the argument itself. Some people may not play "at your level, but people have Youtube and common sense
Never did, you dont add anything to the conversation and keep insulting people that do. Thats why you shouldnt be posting.
I didnt though, but nice try.
I just added the fact that pressing S and taking high ground renders Brigitte completely useless You completely ignored that and went straight for a jab at me personally, making my argument stand tall and strong regardless of how bad a burn you delivered me personally.
No retort to that?
Sure i can avoid Brig, but i cant kill her while she bashes away at my tanks, supported by two more healers, since she is a tank/dps/healer hybrid excelling in everything
And if i were to pick pharah which is the typical brig mains advice im just gonna get stomped by a decent widow
So is a insert random hero here
when supported by 2 healers, that’s hardly an argument directly relating to her being OP or broken when the best example we’re getting are ridiculous 1v1 scenario’s and “when the entire team supports their Brigitte”,
Anything seems OP when carried by a certain composition, so nah, hardly convincing whatsoever. She still dies from a quick focus of burst DPS or a Widow.
Junkrat and Pharah can completely dishevel her position which is disastrous for the situation you describe, as well as pretty much admitting that there’s a little bundle of 3 supports all packed nicely together like a christmas present with a big ribbon around it that says “EZ WIN, FOCUS DPS HERE!” and you didn’t run for team chat or voip screaming “Ey, let’s pop our Widow/Pharah/Junkrat and bust a hole in that team”,?
That’s what everybody else does, from “condescending silvers” up to GM, so what’s your excuse?
That’s cute, but you can’t make the argument so horridly lopsided that on one end you say “When two healers support a Gitte” and defend that argument saying “If I switch to Pharah I get Widow’d”. If on one end you make the argument that their team comp is that way, then you can’t make a defense for that argument about a solo move, it has to be team effort or failure thereof that makes the Brigitte argument true or not.
i.e.: If two healers support a Gitte, how is your solo performance relevant? Of course you get Widow’d if you and you alone get tilted at the Brigitte and switch to Pharah, but what’s the rest of your team doing? Facetanking a triple support composition like a bunch of zombies?
Triple support lineup with brig/zen does more than enough damage to kill anything on the enemy team while staying more or less unkillable.
so if the enemy has a brig, 3 dps heroes on the roster are playable, thats a problem
? Brig isnt just a support she is a tank/dps/support hybrid, if you get close to her you are dead.
Yeah, they do. But they fail because she is overtuned, and that is why she has her bizarre winrate.
Why avoid the question with a non sequitur? I raise questions about how you and your team perform and you answer with how tanky a triple support setup is. We know it is, that’s why I said earlier that disrupting their position renders them inert and then I asked you why you are not getting your team involved, because it sounds stupid to call Brigitte OP when your example is “They form an organised composition around her and I cannot solo it by switching to one of Brigitte’s counters”, >> Of course you can’t, nobody can’t.
I’ll put this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDnEjUBFQJ4
, right here, but feel free to google more of these. Suffice to say the three I mentioned aren’t clearly all of them, plus there’s 5 other members on your team to work/synergise with.
There’s a world outside the forum, you know, a world where you can freely source facts from to make it less “he said, she said” and more “This fact you brought into the discussion debunks my theory, you are right, but have you thought about this theory too?”, > and that’s how you get a discussion that produces results
Established this in an earlier post; Behold one of Brigitte’s universal hard counters! https://www.techonthenet.com/clipart/keyboard/images/letter_s.png
A bizarre win/pickrate has been true for every newly released hero in the past. This is in no way indicative of her strength or weakness. A high pickrate means many of these matches both teams had a Brigitte. Overwatch is a zero sum game, meaning when a Gitte wins, a Gitte loses. On top of her being new, there’s also the obvious reluctance to let go of an old meta, which Brigitte hard counters, tilting the winrate in her favor because high pickrate vs. people stubbornly throwing dive comps into a Gitte = an obviously high winrate at first.
Gonna leave this one for others to Google, but the exact same thing happened to the pick/winrates with reworked Mercy, Ana, Doomfist, Orisa, Sombra and Moira, so it’s really no surprise and really no true indication, Brigitte (and reworked Hanzo) just follows the same old trend most new and reworked heroes have in the past.
Remember, there’s a whole wide world of information and examples outside of these forums and everyone’s own personal experience. If you get stomped by a Gitte, first look to the facts, then to yourself, and lastly to your team, before moving the blame to something other than those things.
See how I didn’t have to attack you, your skill, your mains or your SR to make an argument that sounds like it could make sense? Try it It’s fun
Few months ago players were complaining that Tracer and Genji needed a nerf and lost their minds when someone said that they should play Genji and Tracer themselves to counter dive the enemies. Now these same people are here to defend Brigitte by saying, that players should play heroes like Junk and Pharah to counter her. It just baffles and humors me that according to them it’s ok for a support to define a meta, but when a dps hero does it, the hero is the most broken piece of s*** there is. I’ll just ask, where is the double standard in this?
No kidding, you’re playing a “DPS” that literally never stands on point or contests the objective, try playing a Reinhardt or a Reaper for awhile and see how “bad” Shield Bash is.
I think we all can agree that she is not OP but has some serious issues and the biggest part of it that everyone probably hates is that skill is not needed anymore to play good in this game. And That’s why everyone is so mad about her.
She renders skill useless.
Moira was already kind of like that but still kind of acceptable. Brigitte is just the epitome of everything wrong about this game.
the fact that brigette is being defended by a low sr player even though she is blatantly op just goes to show how op she is and that people that want to climb with her don’t want her nerfed
Nice bait, but SR doesn’t matter in a discussion, try again, see if you can actually disprove, debunk or question the points raised instead
That’s not entirely true. There is a point where people cannot discuss about buff/nerf and game mechanics because they are simply not good enough to understand it properly. It’s not me being rude. It’s a fact.
It’s like saying you put a math teacher equal to a child in the 5th grade, when it’s about math.
how about you actualy start making a decent case defending your views instead of trolling…
you got shot down so many times in so many topics that i find it odd that blizz hasn’t banned you for trolling yet.
The only error in the logic you are applying here is that comparing a videogame to a science when you can better compare it to a sport or physical activity.
I don’t need proof of/to be able to compete at a certain level in order to understand certain mechanics and interactions at higher levels. I can see how someone plays at GM or on OWL and understand exactly how it works, why they do it that way and what the thought process behind it entails without actually being able to compete at that level, simply because I don’t possess the physical skills or hardware required.
I can still see what’s going on, analyze what they were doing, and understand it, despite not being able to replicate it, that’s a huge difference with the maths example, because although the 5th grader may not be able to school the maths professor, he can still aspire to become one by studying mathemathics untill he’s at the same level, whereas with sports and videogames, anybody can understand the game and unravel it’s underlying machinations, but you either have a certain amount of skills, reflexes, gamesense and talent, or you don’t