as question mentioned above, why do they simply not do it? don’t they think it’s one of their responsibilities?
what’s up with that? anyone have any insight as to why that is?
As nice as it would be, it isn’t really their job.
In proper comps you have a main heal, with an off heal protecting them.
If your comp is weird and you are playing a Mercy, then the other healer should hold hands with the off tank for peel.
This is why double bubble is strong. Ana does the healing, while Brig tops stuff up and stands with her to try stop dive/flanks.
The DPS will be off doing the flanking / off angles.
you know it’s not only the healers that need peel right?
everyone peels for everyone, but dps rarely do.
I suppose it all depends how you want to play the game.
If it is being played well, you shouldn’t need to peel.
Peel only becomes needed if something isn’t going well.
If you are the ones forcing the other team to peel, you will be winning that game.
it is being played well when everybody does peel, the problem is when people don’t think they need to ever do it.
If you need to peel, it means the other team been more proactive in the fight.
Something has gone wrong if you are not the one making the first move.
no, you are either receiving or giving, you need to play both sides or else you’re gonna get rolled 100% when you’re not understanding what you need to do.
you have to peel ALL games, not only sometimes.
rolls happens because one side does not know how to stop it.
General rule of thumb… If you play aggressive and ult first. You win. (unless you wiff it).
You can not peel and do that. You will lose some fights… But you will win a lot more.
Even watching the pros, DPS don’t peel unless they are unable to push. Because the enemy is being aggressive and pushing them back.
So to end this. Should you peel if someone asks. Yes. That would be the nice thing to do.
But if you need to peel for your backline, either the tanks and DPS are being out played in the moment, or the Supports are in the wrong position.
GGS good luck with your next match.
no this is false, they can easily stop your ultimate with a cooldown completely negating a big ability for a minor one meaning that you can’t just pull the trigger and expect it to be useful.
it’s the tanks job to push in and for the dps to take advantage of that however if the enemy is sideswiping you while putting on a lot of pressure from the front, both your tanks are gonna need to put their undivided attention to the front hence why your dps has to either duel this enemy or hold formation with the rest of the team giving them an advantage because the supports and the secondary dps is right there next to them ready to back them up as the tanks handle the front from breaking down.
for example, if a doomfist has set himself up for a set-play on your backline and is waiting for his frontline to engage yours to keep your team more busy, so if the supports takes their attention away from the tanks the tanks might lose the frontline fight therefore the dps has to intercept the doomfist, doomfist usually gets intercepted by a tank or a support when they don’t have to give 100% of their attention towards the frontline, meaning the doomfist miss timed his initiation which is what bad doomfists does, a good one tries to get in there when everybody is occupied with something else.
just because your frontline and supports are busy dealing with something else does not mean you got outplayed in this case.
now you can play without making the dps have to peel for doomfist but that takes far more effort and strategy than the average person can handle, but what you would have to do is bait with your whole team and fake engage with everyone and pull back and turn on the doomfist as he tries to fly in and pick someone off, but good luck conveying such a concept to your team.
what’s actually more important is engaging in a good position, not really who engages first.
take for example hollywood street phase, in the pro-scene at the very least it’s very common for the defenders to setup on the rooftops as it is the best position to be in, so they don’t necessarily want to run to engage the enemies, they simply need to wait for them to come to them as they can’t pass without trying to overtake your strong position so they need to break your position to get past it.
i mean why do you think defenders on any map most of the time just hold their positions otherwise?
it’s because you get far more leverage that way, the only reason to break position is to chase down for extra ult-charge but at that point you should have allready won the fight and it’s just clean-up anyway.
but you can allways choose between trying to break the enemy or be the one trying not to get broken, some comps are better one way than the other, bunker comps come to mind, dive comps too.
1 Like
Nah. I will never play bunker. That s… is BORING.
Go aggressive or go home. Make the game fun.
If you are crying about your team not cuddling you and you dying… maybe change your positioning. Lets go slap some enemies about!
This is correct. Such ults can easily be stopped.
Thats why you go fast. Build ults and use them before they have the counter.
Not the hardest logic to get.
Like Kings Row, you’re capping first. Do you…
A - stand around and wait for the cap and cuddle the payload.
B - leave 1 or 2 to cap and the rest push forward and kill the forward spawners.
Not really a question. The only answer is B.
well if i am fighting 2 tanks 2 supports and one of their dps blocking their abilities and ultimates and keeping tabs on all of that i should be able to expect my dps to atleast have the awareness to intercept one dps that tries to stab me in the back so i don’t have to turn around and get stabbed 5 other enemies while i’m forced to look elsewhere.
that’s the crux, i go forward try to push in as the main tank only to find out a doomfist either jumped in and punched me in the rear right smack dab into the enemy team or he decimated my entire team and i wander straight into my own death half a second later when that happened.
it’s not an only doomfist problem either, it’s genji, tracer, reaper, hell you name’em.
but sure i can turn around and look away from the frontline for half a second while the reinhardt is looking to shatter us all.
we’re not talking about AFTER you’ve won the fight, everybody should know by now you go forward and leave a support behind to keep rolling with an ult advantage, but that ult advantage thing only exists if you won the first fight right off the bat.
so yeah, give a better in fight example.
If you are a support, in the back doing your thing… a cheeky little DPS scam is flanking to get you and causing you problems.
Priority 1. Make sure you do everything you can positionally to make it difficult.
Next. Try kill them.
Then. Hope someone helps you/Ask for someone to help you.
Never assume someone should do anything for you. They have their jobs to do.
Just play closer to your off tank. Any flanker will be spotted by them then.
I don’t know what rank you are, but I will assume not GM/T500… So your team mates will inconsistent and sometimes unreliable (just as you will be). If you can’t change your position, or swap to look after yourself. You can’t really demand anyone does anything to help. Mostly because the chances are they won’t have the skill or awareness to help or swap comps to make it easier.
yes, kill the enemy, and if the enemy comes to you, might aswell meet them.
not stand around in some useless flank position that takes you 30 seconds to get to when the enemy is allready in your backline.
like mccree, takes him ages to get to a good spot to flank from, but the tracer takes literally a split second, so who will do what exactly? way better for the mccree to wait for the tracer that tries to assassinate his supports as he basically wins the fight for his team if he flashes her and even if he doesn’t his supports can back him up and still win against a lone tracer in your backline.
“just play closer to your off-tank” well if the off-tank is allready next to you it doesn’t matter if they aren’t looking to peel the backline if they are trying to peel for the frontline.
these are just basics that you should be doing, but rarely do you see a dps ever peel and when they do they usually win fights, there’s a difference between being a hungry potg chaser and a valuable asset to your team.
i don’t play in gm/t500 and i don’t wish to do so either, i’m not asking for perfect comps or perfect teammates, just asking for a dps to maybe try and intercept an obvious problem the rest can’t deal with because their hands are full.
look, we’ve all been there, i know what it’s like to play dps too, you don’t want to sit around because you think you’re not doing anything, but low and behold when the enemy tries to come in and you’re perfectly in position to take them out and you win handedly because of it.
we’ve all seen that sombra that goes stealth for more than 50% of the match time just waiting in the enemies backline trying to either kill a support and failing or trying to hack an enemy tank and still failing, yet there’s a genji/doomfist/ball/tracer etc, just doing work on your team.
might aswell sit and wait for these characters to come to you and hack them as they try to go in, it’s not that hard and when you’re back there you can actually shoot and put pressure on them because you’re not idly standing in stealth meanwhile your team is dying making you frustrated that they are incapable of handling a fight without you for 30 seconds.
that used to be me back in the day, before i started thinking about peeling as a dps because before that i didn’t think i needed to do that and it was my teams fault for not being able to peel for themselves.
but after i started doing that as a dps i won a lot more and basically had “shotcaller” votes pouring in by happy tanks and supports that were totally in awe that some dps actually had a brain enough to actually peel for them when they needed it.
but since the role-qeue happened i haven’t really played dps since and only tank or support, mostly tank as i get to be the one who takes charge and leads the way since i feel like other main-tanks either don’t do that or most even don’t pick main-tank at all so i feel fine doing either.
but main-tank is what it usually is, and since i play mostly main-tank i can’t peel backwards, i can only stop myself from engaging and turn and peel before the fight, if i am engaged with the enemy main-tanks i can’t afford to look away or i’ll die and subsequently my team dies because of it.
i don’t care who handles the problem behind me as long as it gets solved, but seeing as most supports play ana/zen and the enemy is fond of playing doomfist/tracer/genji which isn’t easy for the supports, and the off-tank they could do that but i’ll suffer for it and probably die because of it because i’m not asking for peel, i’m assuming they are gonna do it because the enemy tanks are operating that way and if they are doing that and i’m not getting any i’m at a hard disadvantage, playing 2 tanks against 1 is a lost fight.
so it stands only to reason that the dps try to atleast peel when it’s appropriate, but so far, haven’t happened that much, maybe 3 out of 20 times.
That is a lot of words. Too tired to read it.
Just play aggressive and force your enemy to waste cool downs. Make them do the peeling.
Win win win.
GGS
but peels = kills, a peeled doomfist/tracer/genji is a dead one.
how is that a hard concept to grasp?
as a main-tank i can only peel for so much and also securing space.
But if you and you team push on an kill 3 before the Doom can get to your back line you win the fight.
Think fast, go fast, win fight.
you can’t allways do that, some players actually use their brains and punish fast and lose play. you have to dismantle and make them use cooldowns and such or else they are far too prepared for you and at that point doomfist flies in and kills 4 in either case because none peeled because they were busy chasing kills.
it’s a resource game, you can’t blitz through to winning assuming they are not prepared just because you aren’t.
Oh well. If you die and it fails, at least you committed to the plan. Rather than dithering about being bored.
Just a ggs at that point.