Hi,
With button bloat being recognized by blizzard, please do not remove final verdict and final reckoning their animations and effects are sick.
Final Reckoning Passive could get a nerf to help fixing Stacking modifiers but please keep this ability.
Final Verdict animation could be baked into TV if FV is getting removed.
Thank you.
I think the problem are abilities like exorcism.
Either we have exorcism of blade of justice, but not both.
They could make exorcism replace blade of justice if you talent it.
I am also hoping to see things like 100% extra proc chance on art of war, 50 % reset on wake of ashes etc.
But aside that i am not noticing significant bloat in the spec. If they are talking about bloat they should look at arcane mage.
That spec is insane, there are so many abilities that must be used in perfect order to actually do damage, you need a phd to just play it.
It’s very unfun.
ret does not need more procs. it has 4 or 5 already.
also blade of justice should straight up be removed. they already had an ability, hammer of wrath, that could have been tied to a proc. art of war has a chance to activate hammer of wrath and make it generate 2 holy power.
and if you want to keep the execute theme of it, cool, no cooldown when the target is under 20/35%.
blade of justice and a million different procs like the empyreal talents are the ones bloating up ret, all the while crusader strike, an iconic ability, tickles. why it has a cooldown, with the damage it does, in 2023, is beyond me.
DO NOT DELETE EXOCISM. please. my god its taken us 6 years to get it back.
Exocism. Is not like Blade of Justice.
Exocism, is a combo skill with conscreation to Nuke uptoo 7 targets with a DoT based AoE Ability.
Blade of Justice is a Short CD Holy power generator.
dont Delete a Random AoE Ability, repurpose it to feel better, because the concept we have AoE Ability through this skill in combination with consecration is what gives us Synergy in abilities, which is something t oretain. not delete.
People say “button bloat” but i really dont see the button bloat being honest here… ret paladins gameplay is actually very fun. Its just other components of the class is currently in Disaray which is the primary issue.
Yes also exorcism should stay it’s been a paladin ability for ages (holy should also have acess to it) but make exorcism impactful.
Crusader strike need to feel better to press, like dealing half holy damage or something.
And yea, blade of justice needs to go.
True.
But holy power generation would need plugging as its our biggest Generator with 2 holy power per use.
I dont think exocisms CD is low enough to absorb that either.
How about making Final Verdict worthy taking instead of Justicars Vengeance, because right now JV is just a better option, more damage, also heals, and hits like a truck when the target is stunned.
you simply buff crusader strike and remove the cooldown. it’s fine to do steady damage with crusader strike and have unload periods when you spend holy power for a bit of burst.
the problem most specs have, not only ret, are so called “filler” abilities. stuff you don’t really want to press, but you have to, or you waste a GCD. currently it’s crusader strike for ret, but i’d rather have blade of justice go, and have whatever damage or whatever holy power it generates shifted towards more iconic abilities.
if you really think of it, blade of justice started off as a replacement exorcism. a ranged attack on a CD. cute. tying it to the art of war reset proc was nothing groundbreaking, that could have been done with exorcism as well.
also what’s with this holy blade rising up fro the ground and impaling the poor sods? that doesn’t seem very neighbourly…
Or you remove crusader strike and replace it with blessed hammer like prot have. It will solve the hopo generation issue and allow to preload hopo for a pull and generate while out of range.
That is very true. I do ironically enjoy current ret, and it defintly outputs the dps now atleast in pve.
Although i never understood why exocism was ever replaced with BoJ. Didnt rly make alot of sense outside of changing something for the sake of changing it.
I just hope we dont see ret fall to a 4 button specc, i dont rly see much button bloat at all realistically. And blizzards pruning in the past has proven to always be quite drastic.
They have a nasty habit of oversimplifying things.
Id rather aee repurposing then outright removing.
Exocism is back which is awesome. However, 20 second CD which puts a DoT on the target dont feel impactful, it has naturaly synergy with consecration, but consecration is a staric aoe field which can mix badly in content when kitings involved.
So i hope if BoJ is removed, exocism gets beefed up, the concept of paladins being half caster i feel doesnt get enough showing in its offensive kit.
Exocism being a proper spell i like alot.
Isent the main problem atm that you can get every single “extra” button in a build and currently that is on of the stronger builds?
If they do it right (highly doubt it) not a single one needs to be removed but you cant get them all and build towards the playstile you like. And hopefully they will all be close enough to not make one feel forced to a meta build (even more unlikely).
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