my headcannon is that Light goes Along with Order, so that’s why lightforged Draenei can use arcane magic.
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The same Tirion who was ashing Undead and Demons left, right and centre with the Ashbringer for years? 
Are a completely different thing, we’ve seen Mages in the Army of the Light and the Titans wield Arcane and Light simultaneously and have done since before Vanilla WoW.
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Magical elements in warcraft are literally just different thematic/visual flavours as extension of character power and not some kinda hard rock-paper-scissors system. As with most lore minutae it’s all over the place and self-contradictory because it’s been written in different sources by different people in different times with no oversight and generally kinda wack, and it’s a headache to come up with a single hard-system interpretation, so why bother. Coolness and flavor > hard rules
So there isn’t really any problem coming up with a cool and logical LFD warlock concept with enough 
imagination because that’s kinda the point of RP innit
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Wouldn’t mind seeing some LFD who became a bit disheartened after getting mogged by a bunch of Tiki masks in Drustvar and decided that maybe dark magic of his now beaten arch-enemy faction could give him the edge he needs against the Horde savages where the Light alone couldn’t.
I can already see it causing problems in Stormwind in the same way that dark rangers did.
“What do you mean I’m not beloved by everyone??? Why are people’s characters being mean to mine???”
Like, people can justify it and I think you can make a logical case for it, but I can also see people just expecting the concept to be welcomed with open arms even by other Lightforged or non-LF draenei and I just don’t fully see that happening.
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We’ve also seen a Titan wield fel while his very essence and blood are made of arcane, two opposing forces, moreso than Light and Fel.
But fine, you guys think LFD warlocks are stupid and should never happen, same with every class for every race, there’s still Classic and WotLK for ya’ll! The old WoW were fel was still pure arcane, and not closer too nature magic 
I’m happy with it and hope they’ll open up every class for every race soon 
No thank you. There’s no worgen and the polycount is desgustang.
There’s worgen, they’re just not playable 
And agreed on the poly count, if they’d just used the updated, modern, models for Classic to WotLK I would be far more likely to return there.
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I feel it’s a bit of a typical catch argument, “but what would Stormwind say”, the same kind as “what if a cringe RPer does it”. I’m not sure there’s a single fresh/original concept that will be welcomed by literally everyone (and that’s not the goal anyway), and some people’s RP is just taking meta digs at character concepts they don’t like, but you’re not obliged to entertain them every time. I play an extremely benign concept but I still had people questioning it or making semi-OOC jabs, who cares really
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The entire “Thing is part of this cosmic power pantheon/group/faction thus it can’t do X” argument is just asinine as Blizzard never cared about enforcing this point apart from some fringe cases that some people treat as gospel.
We got the notion that putting Fel into a Void creature in WoD turns it into a nuke, players treated it as Void and Fel not being able to mix. 2 Expansions later we got Void Elf warlocks.
We have numerous instances where Paladin/Holy spells and abilities specifically murder Undead and Demons and hurt them on some primordial level, thus they shouldn’t be compatible. We got Shivarra and Forsaken Priests that use the Light and at this point every race (including OG Orcs) can do the same.
We have the Titans as these avatars of Arcane and Order, thus they should be anathema to anything Fel. Demon Hunters use Arcane warding tattoos without imploding and an entire complex (Tomb of Sargeras) includes Titan creations that were turned into Fel-corrupted constructs. Fel can corrupt, defile or transform anything, whether it’s holy, orderly, natural or arcane and thus it can be wielded in a similar manner too.
Hence I still see the argument that Lightforged Draenei Warlocks being culturally and not biologically or mechanically a problem as sound. I treated the way the Army of the Light operated as creating these Lightforged Draenei to be a bulwark and unwavering soldiers against an endless foe. They shouldn’t be swayed or corrupted.
However, I also see it plausible that one of these non-Space Marines, after witnessing the defeat of the Burning Legion and losing his conviction to the Army of the Light during BFA, would be affected and change their ways over the past 8-10 years. I don’t recall any instance of LFD being unmade into regular Draenei if they don’t want to be Lightwielders or that you’d lose your connection to the Light (see my repeated posts about how the Light is being used by demons and whatever) just by association. Some Lightforged Draenei can have a journey from the end of Legion to current-day Dragonflight that led them to become a warlock, but it would be rare and unacceptable by the societies they hail from.
Moreover we barely have any society or culture among the playable races that actually tolerates or normalizes warlocks. The only exceptions I can think of are Forsaken, Blood Elves and goblins and even two of these races were used by the Burning Legion as pawns, thus making using Fel just as controversial. None of the other races, whether they are Humans, Dwarfs, Orcs (OG or Mag’har, there were instances of the latter in WoD), Tauren, Draenei, Elves, Night Elves, Nightborne, Trolls, Zandalari Trolls, Vulpera, Gnomes or Pandaren made Warlocks some accepted norm within their respective cultures, in all these cases they are exiles, outcasts and distrusted occultists who can be more useful than dangerous.
Regular Draenei I can’t even be bothered to argue. Sargerei were a thing in WoD, they were not Man’ari or Demons but regular Draenei who opted for Legion worship. They weren’t all some misguided youths either given Socrethar was the one who founded their cult and he was a member of Velen’s Council and an Exarch 
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I just wish we had some Loremaster/Keeper who would keep track of all these things since forever and then make sure Blizzard wouldn’t freck up.
One who could give us updates about Azeroth in some sort of Exploring the continents books, to keep the world up to date and consistent alongside its magic systems, but alas… Such a position would only benefit if the one sitting on it respected the IP 
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We can forever thank nelf stans for freaking out at loreology and bringing an end to that.
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And he still wrote Exploring Kalimdor.
Don’t you mean the Ghost haunting the Blizzard offices ghost-wrote Exploring Kalimdor*? I think you’ll find that Sean definitely didn’t have anything to do with that, in fact he doesn’t even own a copy (supposedly).
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please watch our new show where Sean Copeland epically SEANS people with facts, logic, and weirdly fast answers about about obscure gameplay trivia and very easy lore after they make the people who think they can do better than him (lore god) perform some epic displays of knowledge like [reads notes] making them ride around in tiny tricycles to sort the order of wow’s expansions
this has nothing to do with the fact that an evil specter wrote exploring kalimdor instead of Sean, which is true, because it would be very silly if it were otherwise, since blizzard’s official loremaster of the setting would’ve said that the dark portal existed for thousands of years, or that orgrimmar doesn’t have water of its own when it has three waterfalls!
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So much of the established lore is contradictory at this point that they really just need to acknowledge that on an official basis. It isn’t just a WoW issue these days, however - there’s a certain degree of contempt shown towards fans of any franchise who pause and go ‘hold on a minute’ when the (often new) writers show little regard for what came before them and seek to tweak it to their liking.
Then you have people acting like it’s only ‘weird nerds’ who care about the intricacies of a setting. Thankfully Henry Cavill has done wonders to dispel that image.
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People don’t wander around with their demons and rarely just go “I’m a warlock teehee” so they should be better.
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C’mon bruh…
Could someone indicate me where this information can be found in more dettail? (The shivarra using light)
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