I think Blizzard should reconsider the normal 10/25 locking with HC. No one will be doing normal raids except boosters. Wasn’t the point of the normal a very easy version of the HC? if you have an alt that needs a quick catch up who is going to waste their lock out on a normal? I think this will heavily be exploited by RMT.
Hear, hear. I would have preferred to see one lockout for both heroic modes and one lockout for both normal modes. 10 and 25 could drop the same quality loot, but in different quantities.
That would require too much work as they would have to change whole fights for ICC HC and TOC HC and possible we would have months of bugged raids. IMO they should have just left this alone and let people do the raid they wanted as now if you as friends to help you to TOC N or ICC N they will just say no as they wont want their lockout for the week wasted. No one will be doing these raids except boosters and RMT.
It wouldn’t change any fight, only that 25 man gear drops in 10 man. So you play heroic on either 10 or 25 with your guild and then pug a normal on 10 or 25. Pugs are more likely to be run on normal mode
#nochanges
Some of you really need to get informed before opening your mouths.
- Prior to ToGC, there were 2 modes, normal which was the 10 man and heroic which was 25 man. There was no 10 normal, 10 heroic, 25 normal, 25 heroic.
- ToGC was the first raid to have the 4 modes and the only raid to have 4 lockouts. This is the only raid affected by the lockout change.
- ICC still had the 4 modes however normal and heroic were exclusive in 10 and 25 (you still have 10 and 25 on separate lockouts)
Bottom line, THE ONLY RAID AFFECTED BY THE CHANGE IS TOGC, for which normal and heroic are made exclusive for each raid size.
THERE NEVER WERE 4 LOCKOUTS FOR NAXX, MALY, OS, ICC or RS
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T9 was like an alt catchup shopping mall while people waited for ICC to come out, reducing it down to 2 lockouts per week will have the effect of making Heroic a lot harder by slowing down gearing considerably in the early weeks.
The only reason we ever did 10man normal to be honest was to help boost alts, we would do 10m HC and 25man normal because they dropped ilvl245 which was a big increase from Ulduar, then 25hc was massively more difficult and had the 258 gear.
I know a lot of guilds that could barely sniff bosses on 25m HC before they had pretty much full ilvl245. I’m not totally against a NM/HM lockout share in a general sense but it seems kinda pointless to change the game for the sake of one tier, T9 will become unnecessarily hard for less hardcore groups who already won’t have access to Ulduar HM 239 gear.
The proposed changes to lockouts suck.
One of the best things about wrath was that it was easily accessible - 10/25 normal/heroic achieved this.
E.g. You could do 10 heroic with a small guild and pug 10 normal at other times.
If you raided 25 in your guild, you could do 10 at other times.
Nobody complained about it in wrath, in fact, Blizz ruined it in Cata when they changed lockouts and killed the golden days of pugging.
These proposed changes is another sign that Blizz has lost its ways in recent times and still has not realised what made it successful in wrath and why it later failed. They are simply out of touch.
They should just leave it as it was instead of micromanaging their game to failure again.
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The only thing affected by this change is ToC, where you need to chose between going it easymode or hardmode, you can still do the raid in both 10 and 25man.
Toc originally had 4 raid locks. 10man normal, 10man heroic, 25man normal and 25 heroic.
Anything prior to ulduar is not affected cause all the hardmodes was activated inside a single instance save by doing boss encounters differently.
In ICC they already changed the raid lockouts so you could swap between easy and hardmode inside the instance.
Yea let’s change whole expansion and lets make your avatar end game boss also remove DK’s cause they are too overpowered.
I just can’t stand these tourists have idea about everything but won’t play more than 6 months.
It’s shocking, yet somewhat heartwarming, that every now and then some ppl come to threads on this board to bring in correct facts.
You do realize this was only a thing for ToC and it was already changed in ICC? You probably don’t.
How rich.
What are you on about. Further down the line lots of guilds will find themselves in the situation where they do 10-man heroic raids with the guild and then pug 25 normal.
Actually also effects 2 DBW dream of most of the physical dpses as well. Which will lead to on ToGC after clearing it people will need to do Ulduar full clear with HM and I am sure it will be so much fun cause we can’t have ToC and ToGC trinket at the same time, also when ICC comes you still gonna need to do ToGC tribute runs for trinkets so nice.
But I am happy that we will do ToGC on ICC content cause mostly no one does that cause noone needs it due to they have they do ToC normal in an hour tops to get the trinket but I like to get more capes. Yay
Nothing but I think you are high on Cataclysm copium that actually want the loot distribution of it implemented on wotlk.
I’m pretty sure they will let you change difficulty mid run so you can run some bosses normal and some heroic. That’s what I heard anyways
You want RDF but claim I’m on “Cataclysm copium”, okay… Getting same quality loot in 10 and 25 only really means making smaller guilds more viable for endgame raiding
I want what wotlk already has back in the but you want how raiding works and change whole the loot tables around it. Well I got no luck cause Blizzard really wants to sell their boosts so they won’t implement it but you on the other hand in such special place that I have no idea which part of your beautiful brain of yours thinking that blizzard will implement cata’s raid loot principles.
I suggest you wait for your classic cata that has the lowest chance of you will get. Good luck special 
Why are you so angry over someone suggesting literally only a change in item level of some gear pieces?
Placing a bigger focus on 10-man raiding would help with the nurture social experiences-thing. But I guess it’s the end times because someone has an opinion on the internet.
I am not angry but you are so offended by not gettig your candy flavour you want. I am telling you the reasons behind it but if you take these offensive approach you just have to hope for cata will come which will less likely like I said but who knows.