11.1 patchnotes / Class changes

[Uda-uldum]

@Zantria-argent-dawn

When Shaman was meta all you did was cry “well let us for once!”, and i agreed with that, but now that disc took over you u-turned and went back to a top tier complainer, its honestly hard to even read.

Not me…

I have been complaining about PI + Ebon might since Season 2.

@Uda-uldum

In general I opose PI and what it represents.

If Priests have a personal CD that gives them PI then fine. Simply because you can balance priests arround that buff.

Or, have a bloodlust/heroism that buffs the whole party or raid.

Put a singular buff with so much power? Dont care if its haste or crit. It should not exists.

That is a post from June 2023. One year and a half ago.

And ever since I posted that (and earlier since in S1 of DF) there has always been a meta priest and I have always been complaining about it :

https://mythicstats.com/meta?expansion=df

Either SP or Disc. Not holy though. And over time what you have seen is nerf after nerf to priests. And after the 1000th nerf to SP in S2 of DF eventually it became so F tier (DPS wise) that they got the 2nd best healer (not the 1st pick who was Monk) as meta : Disc.

And then they slowly buffed SP once again, and upsie ! SP started to be meta once again…

And what happened in S1 of TWW ? Well all 3 priest specs were garbage. Disc, Holy and SP. So the benefit you gained from PI + Fortitude did not justify carring a healer that performed 10 to 20% worse than every other healer… or a DPS that did 30% less DPS than any other pick…

But a couple of buffs later… all you need is 1 priest to be “half decent” at whatever roll is available to catapult it back to meta pick…

Because of PI and Fortitude… (Plus Ebon Might of course)…

@Zantria-argent-dawn

When Shaman was meta all you did was cry “well let us for once!”

I did not say that. Here is an example:

Shaman healers eclipsing other healing specs

So many BS posts like this. Here is the problem. We ALWAYS had that utility. Why is it a problem now ? The answer: DUNGEON DESIGN !!! Take Poison Cleansing Totem for example. Can you absolutely trivialize the last boss of Arakara? SURE you can… But I ask you… WHY do they put an AoE Poison ? What is the goal they want to achieve here? Why not AoE MAGIC instead of poison? That way every healer has equal chance to deal with that mechanic. Or how about NOTHING. Nobody can dispel a boss…

What I said is that designing dungeons made specifically for a RShaman toolkit is not good for the game. Because its good for RShamans today, but I spent all DF sweating all those diseases I could not dispel. And I don’t want to have to wait until blizzard makes M+ dungeons full of curses to not have to sweat again…

What I wanted was to organize all the dispels for example. In such a way that healers, and healers ONLY could dispel every debuf that could be dispelled. So that we ALL have a chance to deal with things.

And the reason I asked to change dungeons for RShamans instead of nerfing the toolkit is because we Shamans do not have a positive external we can give to ONE DDs. Which is what PI is. And its a skill no other class other than Aug has. And I should not need to get into the details as to why “support” skills and specs are a problem. You can check out any of the Aug posts on your own. And PI is one of those things that lands in the same category.

But if you want one of my epic walls of text about why PI (and Aug by extension) creates so many problems I can write it for you. I have it saved in a note-pad because I am sick of posting the same thing since Nov 2022… And being proven right every single season…

Just let me know.

@Zantria-argent-dawn

Do you not get tired of repeating yourself so many times?
You yourself havent even noticed that not even that long ago you were a lot more optimistic when posting, even with Rsham being bad, but that has completely changed these days.

I am as optimistic or pessimistic as the M+ season is.

I will not pretend like im having fun when im not.

[Benjamin-sunstrider (Benjamin)]

How about no.

[Utcher-nemesis]

Why is there no change for brewmaster spec, in any way?

[Souldefiler-blades-edge (Souldefíler)]

@Bluejayeh-azjolnerub

Does this mean, no pet now?
Sad day if it does.

Yes because Blizzard doesn’t like the playerbase deviating from THEIR vision.

You play the way they want you to play.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

Now that’s out of the way, lets see what they’ve done to DK’s this week because the warriors are annoyed.

[Zantria-argent-dawn]

@Utcher-nemesis

Why is there no change for brewmaster spec, in any way?

At this point i dont think even Blizzard has an answer to that question…

[Froestschoek-alleria]

Maybe a dps nerf for disc would solve the problem of PI?
I mean discs always had PI but needed buffs for being meta
maybe disc personal dps is to high i mean its a healer healing with dps, just lower their dps and increase the % of atonement healing instead so disc would be a low dps healer but gains extra dps by PI
i mean everything PI does is increasing priests dps output so maybe that would help?

[Uda-uldum]

Priests always had PI. But what is also new is that since DF atleast 1 priest spec had a comparable performance to the rest. In previous expansions all 3 specs were bad.

When was the last time SP did competitive DPS prior to DF?

@Froestschoek-alleria

Maybe a dps nerf for disc would solve the problem of PI?

The problem with PI is not what the priest does. Its what the recipient of the PI does.

Because you are correct. You could, in theory, calculate things as you say.

But. The DPS a disc (and the dps its casted on to) depends on who you cast it on.

In other words:

If you cast PI on an FOTM Enh shaman that has a 2 min ascendance (aka: pops ALL its CDs including trinkets at the same time as PI) you will get X extra DPS.

If you cast PI on a F tier class with 3 min CDs (aka, PI never at the same time as CDs) you get Y dps.

Because buffs in wow are multiplicative, and 20% haste is quite a lot ! X dps >>>> Y dps.

Now. If you were blizzard, what would you do:

(A) Nerf classes such that X is “in line” with everyone else ? Then the consequence is that if you dont cast PI on a FOTM spec then its a net DPS loss.

(B) Buff it such that Y is “in line” with everyone else. Then if you do cast it on a FOTM class its busted beyond OP.

And you can decide to nerf/buff the Disc priest, OR the recipient. Enh shaman in this case.

It dosent change the result. Its still a catch 22 situation where whatever you do ruins 2 specs. By being too weak, or too OP. Only because of 1 buff.

And that is why PI (and Aug by extension) are a problem.