How you get to the conclusion that rogue/mage is an overpowered combo in 2’s is beyond me. The comp relies entirely on the healer/dps team misplaying and there’s always something you could’ve done to counter their opener. As long as you counter their opener, especially if they’re fire, then it should be easy to apply pressure on either of them and make them fall over before the 3rd or even 2nd setup.
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You play fury and u actually dare say u can get easily kited. Heard enough. Can’t take you seriously anymore
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Well, usually it was always like that in WOW history. Every comb had its counter. Rogue/mage can counter fury monk pretty hard, since monk has like 1 major defensive CD. If the mage/rogue manages to reset on 2nd GO or 3rd monk is dead. I can say the same for me playing as disc/mage vs fury monk is almost unwinable since fury can hardly get slowed or rooted (unless they make big mistakes its a loss) But ofc i am not crying about that because its always been like that - there is always a comb that can hard counter another.
What i can suggest you is to try couple of things:
- LOS the poly as much as you can.
- STAY near your monk to be able to break out of CC in case they AOE (Meteor or Orb)
- Make sure Monk is trying to CC so you can get the rogue trinket soon so you will have your fear as a backup in case of trouble.
I hope that helps GL!
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fury ez 2 kite. oke buddy, im out here
It maybe just counters your comp hard. Playing vs that on my druid healer/hunter its a joke. Would have mage use iceblock and still have all my cooldowns.
As you all look like you never played warrior in your life especially vs mage, i will explain in simple language so you can understand. Warrior have 1 charge and 1 heroic leap 20 sec cd and 45 sec cd, we have one stun that is talent that can in same raw as duble time(two charges) everything that mage need to do, is :Warrior charges on you try to root him mid path and stop his charge, he cant leap out of root, if he get you with charge blink if he jumps on you with heroic leap root blink, that is all you need to do after his jump he is in full control of the frost mage with 100% slow and multiple roost that it has, I done that on my mage multiple times against warrior paladins and dks that its like going to the park after few tries( and I am not good mage player and that was in legion when frost was much weaker then it is now), for that reason if i see mage, and offten its with discp, i do not even try to go on mage its a waste of time i pick spell reflect and burn priest down, I use fear and stun on it from time to time and i focus on healer, I am not saying that mage is broken i can win vs most mages that are bad but saying that fury warrior is hard to kite and stop its mental, yes maybe if you compare it to the DK and ret yes it has more offensive mobility options, but his burst is not that big, if you compare it to the most of the specs that are popular right now I would say that fury warrior is one of the weaker bursters this meta, but his constant damage will burn most healers if he can keep focusing them that is why fury and monk are good comp because monk can do a lot of burst in crane setup, for fury warrior its rare to finish arena match in first few minutes it often goes much longer then with other spec, that means that even if fury warrior catches you with all his and versatility trinket you have a lot of chance to survive even if you stay and that is directly countered by mages rogues can be problem but good stun is what you need to turn them to vanish and mage just can blink root and continue to do his stuff, so making stupid claims that mage can have problem to counter fury warrior just show to me that you are bad mage end of the story.
u never played mage or 2.2k + u mean LUL
i was 2100 this season you can see my ach, to prove that, you are not even playing pvp and thats fine for me, you have a right to your opinion i will respect that, but saying that fury is broken cant be more distant from real state of meta, fury is functional far from the best and it was one of the worse specs in pvp before 5% buff, and multiple arms nerfs that made it equal to fury so where you got idea of fury being op i rly dont know. atm there is only few warriors in top 100 in EU bracket and only one fury, there is 13 rogues, 11 hunters(suvival mostly) 27 priests multiple mages and 10 monk healers(that are not there with fury warrior but hunters) idea so your argument that fury is most op class in the season is pile of big hot bull feces, arms is more functional still and played in pvp if anything you can say that warriors are only class that have good balance in their choice of the spec.
Did you even answer to my post? You said that I don’t play pvp which is just made up and I said that fury is one of the most retarded (not actually the most retarded) which is true because it is immortal, does insane damage and can’t be slowed, especially in 2s.
I’ve played on up to 3K+ mmr this season in 2s and the last time I faced this comb was at the very beginning of the season vs pshero and ziqo, which was before the arcane survivability nerf
no reason to tunnel mages cus u can just tunnel healers with permanent freedom keepo
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Look i dont know what your main if you post on your main I can tell if you played pvp or not but for the sake of the argument I will believe you, fury is not hard to play but atm there is no hard class to play(druid can be hardest for me, I dont know how to play it ![:smiley:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/smiley.png?v=6" ":smiley:")
at all) but your arguments on fury warriors are not valid, fury is not hard to kill, his only deff is just damage mitigation that can heal you but its so easy to counter if you are rogue just use evasion and if you are mage just root blink and its gg for that ability in next 2 minutes charge heal is cool but its 20 sec cd that cant save you from burst, same goes with a slow removal talent, only if warrior can BT you he will get out of slow so in theory its a best talent for melee classes with good slows( frost dk for example) against mage its useless, plus warrior is not only class with ability to remove slow right so I dont see why slow removal is that big of a problem its only thing that makes fury functional right now because its hard on discpriests, and about damage that damage is constant and fury does not have good burst that is why he is working best with monk that have good burst in crane setup and you know that mage can kill you in 2 globals and that rogue can kill you in one kidney shot that is what i call op damage add to that CC that this 2 classes have and you have best class for pvp, fury warrior, and its biggest problem for priest atm because of easy mana drain bad priest will lose so much mana in first few minutes of the arena and i see they can have problem with warriors in general. What i want to say is that fury warrior is only played because its good vs best healer in the game atm Discpriest, same goes with arms I am happy with warrior state atm do not get me wrong, but its never going to compare with rogue or mage so do not make false statements about warriors because none of the brackets can support your claim there is much lower number of warriors in arena then there is mages rogues and survival hunters even havoc dhs and if you think that is all dps that are seen in arena right now warriors are worst of the bunch and bracket shows that, we are easier to kill then all of this classes because we demand heavy heals, mobility wise we have more mobility just vs rogue/and hunters and CC wise every of this classes have more CC then warrior and more utility then fury warrior
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This is my main this season and every class has counters currently, doesn’t mean that fury is weak just because it has 2-3 counter classes and besides that, I agree that frost mage and assa rogue are broken currently and need to be nerfed, yet the comb rogue+mage in 2s is definitely not the problem
It is for some comps, for druid its not, because you have option to stay in stealth at the start and that prevents them from going full opener on you, i even think that only time i won that comp it was with druid, cyclone is good way to stop that burst right now i played vs fire mage and rogue and died in cheap shot even with spell reflect that did not work because of the smoke bomb and if i trinketed that kidny shot is waiting anyway so no no win out of that.
woho sorry mister next multi rank 1 talent fury warrior. im playing my alt lock atm in 2s. mage is sittin 2k (before u ask. no i dont play rmx/frozen chicken) cr in 3s since weeks cuz i got no mates on alliance.
boi, the fact u crying about rogue/mage in 2s is, u dont know how to play vs them. u talking things like 2.1k in 2s, but your xp or cr dosnt matter cuz fury/mw is atm so much stronger then most of the combs.
only few warriors in top 100? ye, cuz arms turbo is stronger over all imo. and fake new like ‘‘uhhg more mages and rogues in ladder’’ != nerf them lol. like your logic we should buff dh. ehh, what?
but well:
Versus Rogue/Mage, you need to interrupt there opener without much cds. The second thing is, dont let the rogue reg or they can restart. in this situation you lost in the most.
lg buddy
ps: dont nerf fmage. nerf fire mage. thanks.
Dude this “advice” here is like you say we can end wars if we take all weapons on the world and burn them, the fact that you even had audacity to say something like that is admirable that just shows how little about this topic you rly know. But because I started this topic i will took onto my self to enlighten you “boi” and show how bad your advice is. First idea that you can survive first burst without using all your deff and utility is cd is impossible, that shows me that you are 1. ignorant to the fact that you play maybe 2nd most op class in the game and made some stupid advice that will make you look smart or 2. You rly have no idea what are you talking about. There is no way to not use all of your cds to survive that no way if you want to live use everything, trinket deff and mobility to go out of smoke plus cc to stop rogue from following you and spell reflect to try to stop mage from bursting your life to the ground and dont let rogue to regen psst boi i will tell you a secret its called Vanish you know ability that rogues use to go out of combat and regen while they are in stealth have you heard of that no? Plus most of the rogues are abusing sap bug and that is huge problem i dont see why that is still not fixed. So boi i recommend you go play warrior and tell me after how it felt when mage have its way with you.
Just to prove it to you, you can find a clip in twitch, from Raiku stream (highest rated mage atm also probably the best one) playing Disc/mage vs Fury/monk. He repeated couple of times that fury/monk is unbeatable as disc/mage. The fury was on his as0s like 24/7 without being able to slow him. So obviously you can see for yourself that you are doing smthn wrong.
Did I complain about mage/priest or mage/rogue, i said that i can win every comp but that, never said that i cant win vs dispriest in fact I said that i think i am counter to it, but lets say druid and mage for me is nighmare and i dont think i can win that one as easy in fact its rly hard but priest/mage are not big problem to me atm.
You’re 2100 rated, what makes you think you know everything about arenas and know how to play perfectly? this isn’t supposed to be a rating bash but rather me not understanding how you just boldly assume u play perfectly every game.
What if I told you that if u were better u would win against any of the comps u complain about at your current mmr
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The amount of clueless people defending the strenght of rogue and mage combined is amazing, sure fury is good but so is mage and rogue, the problem is the combined cc, dmg and defenses these to classes have together…
There is a reason RMP has been good since s1 of arena. Also mage, rogue has been viable since s1 of arena…
How many season has fury been viable for arena?
[Edit] inb4 butthurt people about my 1600 ratings. This is my alt warrior
My mains is 2.2k+ currently
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You’d be right if it wasn’t for this being about rogue/mage in 2’s where it, like any other 2x dps, is mediocre at best.