Major problem is survivability. Give back leech, 35% blur and blade dance dodge and DH might stand a chance.
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It was pve tuning, 3% of anything wont change anything in pvp ever. You can tell when something is a pvp fix because its more in the 30% range, like ret+prot wog.
Its true that DH pvp survivability needs a lot of help, but please donât mention the blade dance dodge, it was an obnoxious abomination of a concept. Thats like a warrior randomly gaining 1 sec of spell reflect every time he mortal strikes, or a mage random 1sec iceblock every time he fireblasts.
DH was just going about his normal dps rotation BLADEDANCE GO BRRRRR and randomly dodging kidneyshots for no reason whatsoever. As a result, the DHâs opponent had to go far and beyond and track the DHâs fury bar and blade dance cd just to know when to kidneyshot, while the DH was happily facerolling, most DHs not even realising they dodged key abilities by pressing their dps buttons.
Um yes itâs 1 second dodge built into an offensive ability because they refused to give DH active mitigation. They took away passive mitigation WITHOUT GIVING ANYTHING IN RETURN for a squishy leather melee class. Thatâs like complaining that warrior can block your damage with Ignore Pain, or rogue gets 100% dodge for 10 seconds every 2 minutes against your will. Oh wait did you know that shadow priest has a pvp talent to refill shield when they do damage, thatâs also mitigation through offense.
I ALMOST didnt know if the shadowpriest shield refil talent was still in the game because thats how unnoticable it is. Its the equivalent of you gaining 3% dodge when you blade dance, not ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.
Ignore Pain has to be specifically clicked, it doesnât automatically happen during your dps rotation, and costs rage, so the warrior has to make a choice between offense or defense, like he has to choose whether to go def stance or not. Same for a ret who has to choose between WoG or TV, or an enh who has to choose how to use his maelstrom weapon stacks. Key word: Choose. Evasion is a defensive cooldown like the million others in the game. None of these things have anything to do with âOK guys im nuking the priest, oh wait guys my addon says kidneyshot is on cd, idk how lol, they have 0 kill pressure for the next 20 sec, go hamâ
If you want dodge during blade dance to come back SO badly, it would have to either also reduce your damage done for 5 sec, so you can use it as a mini-defensive, OR not be a dodge but a damage reduction, like 40% physical damage reduction during blade dance, so you avoid some damage but not the effects applied by the abilities.
To be honest, some would argue that ret pallys go omegalul on your face with wings and bubble, doing their incredible damage while invulnerable - choice my as s.
Also to track blade dance cd is literally not that hard, as a dps we constantly have to track if the enemy healerâs cast can be interrupted or not not (divine favor, aura mastery etc.)
Quite frankly the kidney shot problem you mentioned can be bypassed by shadowstepping behind the dh or striking him from behind then there will be no dodge at all, blade dance or not.
Although I would gladly trade the dodge effect on BD in return for a flat % dmg reduction for 2-3 sec.
On a side note since you have been very active on this forum, I challenge you to lvl a DH and do any of the endgame content and enjoy yourself. Assuming you get invited to any activity at all.
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You mean it might take effort to gank a melee leather class with no defense, no stealth, and no self-heals?
Blade dance was a good situational button what made it broken was the fact it was also one of our main DPS rotations meaning you would dodge stuff without trying.
Blade dance us kinda meh now anyway.
Not really. DH representation was low in arenas even with that.
No itâs not, because Warrior doesnât need that to survive. DH did.
What? Kidney shot is instant. All you have to do is not use it during blade dance.
Not really. DH representation was low in arenas even with that.
thats why i said obnoxious, not broken. obnoxious means annoying. it was bad design, because xXxILLIDAN69xXx was just going about his typical faceroll BRRRRRRR and randomly making plays without even being aware.
No itâs not, because Warrior doesnât need that to survive. DH did.
What? Kidney shot is instant. All you have to do is not use it during blade dance.
Youâre contradicting yourself. Which one is it? bd dodge was a necessary part of dh survivability that they NEEDED, or bd dodge was making no difference because âlol your abilities are instant, just dont use them during bd, ez counterplay 4Headâ?
Ties in quite nicely with my point that DH was under repped at high rating.
It was a good tool against players who mindlessly throw their cds at you while you have your defensives up.
I.e. Didnât really make a difference at high rating
I donât think bringing back the dodge on BD/DS is a good idea. Itâs obnoxious and scales too well with haste towards the end of an expansion. I think a better way of giving us some more durability within the class fantasy would be to make the soul generation part of demonic appetite baseline. In its place you could add the old burning soul azerite power.
That would give us regular healing that is not tied to leach whilst still leaving us vulnerable in stuns. We canât expect to be able to facetank damage like a plate wearer and with the cd of blur getting lower this expansion I donât think itâll get buffed. Could maybe change desperate instincts to allow it to be usable in stuns instead of auto triggering but that would probably deserve a longer cd too.
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