It’s a silly system that’s been abused ever since it got introduced.
9/10 times people just press “accept” without even knowing what’s actually going on.
I once got kicked off because a healer ninja pulled, while I announced ahead of time I was “brb” and he/she threw a typical childlike tantrum which I replied to with laughter.
Nothing to do about it, just bend over and take it like a man!
Here’s a tip simply write: “I don’t mind if you ninja pull if you have the dps to back it up, and in this case you clearly don’t.”
Works like a charm.
As I honestly don’t get why under geared people keep pulling tons of mobs in order to aoe them down with extremely low dps…
Extending the run for minutes on end. if you’re in such a group it’s actually smarter to just leave after killing the first boss and re queue as it will still be faster than clearing it .
I haven’t noticed a difference, and in fact, I got kicked more frequently from dungeons 5 years ago. Your story also seems like fake news because if you had a DK tank it means he was a minimum level of 58, and this would mean your experience almost certainly took place in a TBC/WOTLK dungeon or later, and those dungeons have a system which prevents people from rolling need on an item that their specialization can’t use.
Desertion should be held to its’ literal definition - voluntary removal of self from active duty; being removed from a Group, by others is nowhere near as bad, in my books, but should carry a penalty.
Desertion is akin to resignation
Being removed by others is akin to being sacked/fired.
Maybe there should be a different label to the debuff to differentiate the penalty applied…
Controversy will reign over this; no matter how many times it’s discussed.
Why in the blue hell would i make that all up?!
When i say i was on an alt, he lost aggro and i died, i’m telling you the truth.
When i say a Death Knight rolled “Need” on a “cloth” item, i’m telling you the truth.
Because you DO have that kind of people too. Not all of them are saints.
The System you are reffering to only applies to boss drops. Boe items are free for all. And in his case it could only have been a boe item because otherwise the justification from the dk that he needs it for an alt would have been kinda dumb.
Can somebody explain why I have been removed from two groups (one raid and one islands) so far, but I’ve never received that deserter debuff? also leaving groups and raids I don’t receive the debuff. Why is that? Now I’m thinking about… I have seen it once or twice back in MOP, but never in BFA.
The system is not perfect but without it you would simply have people who log into the dungeon or raid and go afk and then loot after the rest of the group have completed the dungeon or raid.
Keep in mind too that it takes 3 people to vote to agree to kick someone so even though one can initiate the vote, others have to agree to it. There are also two sides to every story, if you are tired of being kicked, then make your own group.
Finally someone that seem to get me.
Look, i know i’m not the most skilled player, i admit that, but i also know there’s much worse. I’ll give you an example: Back then, there was still the Wrath of the Lich King expansion, i was on my rogue, in a raid group doing Icecrown Citadel. My rogue was level 80 at the time and i only did about 500 dps. Very bad.
Then, later on, i did the Icecrown Citadel raid again but this time, on my Mage.
Turns out, i did much more dps on my mage then on my rogue.
So, that got me thinking “Maybe Rogue just is’nt for me”
So, that being said. I stopped doing raids on my rogue due to the fact,
i can’t seem to get some proper DPS and i don’t want to hold up people or getting them killed because of my low DPS.
So you see? i know i’m not the most skilled player, but at least i have some common sense. Unlike alot of others out there.
Maybe it could do with a different name, but the vote-kick system was changed to give a debuff pretty much because of desertion. Tanks would enter LFG for the reward, then see that dungeon they didn’t like and just sit down. “I’m not moving so kick me”. The rest just waited 15 minutes to get a tank, if they kicked this guy they got to wait 15 more while he could be in a new random within a minute…
I fully appreciate the reasoning for the change, just that the process has fallen foul of a vocabulary failure.
Revisiting what you quoted, though, I now find error in my thinking, that a harsher penalty would indeed be appropriate for ‘dismissal’ but at the same time, ‘resignation’ should not be immune to penalty; just less severe & more appropriately labelled.
remove the debuff so people can’t troll others, and
if you leave or kicked out, you are locked to that instance until you finish it
this seems a bit better to me. still, you can’t prevent others kick you for fun but you don’t get a debuff at least. on the other side this won’t help you if you “don’t like” the instance because you will be forced to do it again.
Would there be any credibility to ‘reverse kick’ system, where a player could ask to leave & be allowed to do so by majority decision…? Thus negating the option to RQ (esp. for premium content) and in the same way as sports personnel can request a transfer…
yeah, it would prevent people leaving for “don’t liking” the instance but you would still be exiled for 30 mins for fun if others decide so. we need something in addtion to that.
would you let the tank and healer go as a dps and wait for unknow time? for the dps it would be the same as if they would kick them and wait. we would need to extend that system to help the remaining people too then.
EDIT: i could imagine it work if the remaining people would be offered by the system for letting go someone, like a bonus roll on their next boss kill or something like that. ofc it would work only in random pugs.
