3V3 Melee PvP Tier list 9.2.5 Season 3 Shadowlands ( Analysis )

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Hi guys,

The video starts with a meta analysis for Melee dps in 3V3 and of course you’ll see the tier list i’ve made based of representation, personal feeling, current experience ( Do I face alot of X Classes? ) etc…

The Timestamps are seen below and you can of course take your time watching / listening to the video where I explain why I’ve put X spec at Y tier.

For the explanation, you can look up the video and I give the ‘‘why’s’’ for every spec.

Thank you for watching !
Much love <3

Link to the video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMHFnZmO9c&ab_channel=ThoGrey

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  1. Much copy paste in your uploads I suppose, the timestamps say 2v2 when it is a 3v3 video. Tsk tsk tsk. That is a bad practise ! Fix it.

  2. Assassination Rogues never, under no circumstances, play the Vanish CDR legendary (unless they are trolling idk). If you had a tiny bit more experience you wouldn’t have said so.

I did not listen to much, but I hope the rest makes more sense otherwise you will need to start listening to people who tell you to get more experience before making that specific sort of video because it is not appealing right now. Listening to 3 minutes to hear something that wrong does not incentivize watching the rest. You understand, I am sure.

  1. Hiding such things below your own video description :

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is rather disgusting, and very lame. Is your video linked to Asmongold in any way ? Is your video linked to Xaruy ? To Savix ? To Bellular ? Why do you use their names in the description of your content ?

Is your video about any caster when the title and the content say melee DPS ? Why is there Destruction Warlock, Frost Mage, etc in the description ?

Is your video about BGs and Solo Shuffle ? Why are these key words in your description ?

Is your video about BfA patch 8.3 ? About Shadowlands patch 9.0, 9.1 ? Why is this in your description ?

This is downright pathetic, and fishing for views. It showcases that you do not care about the quality of your content, but instead take more time trying to snatch a couple more views left and right (imagine even going so far as to type asmongold, but also amongold reacts and asmongold tv as 3 different keys). Pathetic practise. Really.

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Guess that’s an indicator for someone desperately trying to reach more people and get more subs.

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You just need to reroll to rogue and next addon be fast enough to do first video about new rogue one shot build. Profit :full_moon_with_face:

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About the vanishing lego for CDR, It was a mistake from me, but I didn’t talk about that lego only and rectified it by talking about the Vendetta lego, Thank you for pointing out my mistake and you are right, I could have just editted that away.

About the concept, I mean, it’s a practice to get higher into the search engines. Where is the problem in that? Shadenox, you are yourself a youtuber, You surely understand that :smiley:
Kinda silly that you point that out, since Obviously, it works for me, and my Like / dislike ratio is pretty good if I may say so, So i’m pretty sure i’m not deceiving anyone. It just improves the likelyhood to get my video found alot easier. (People that watch asmongold, savix etc, also watch tier list videos, or pvp videos, or whatever, so It makes that public, more likely to see your videos / channel. You can give me advise on Rogues, but you can’t give me advise on SEO’s my friend. )

Not desperate, I just know what I do to get better SEO’s. Btw, Skillcapped does that aswell, so I wonder if I am doing something wrong afterall.

Rogues is one of the classes I won’t touch. Too much competition AND I know absolutly nothing except the bare minimal, which isn’t enough to make a Guide. :smiley:
But that’s actually good advise tho

@Shadenox, Also, kinda low to take a jab on my youtube channel and to assume what my intentions are. I love to make videos, I love to help people get to know wow pvp and I also enjoy that people watch my videos. Making SEO’s work, and have more people being able to get to know me or my videos, Is not pathethic, It just means that I know what to do to grow my channel. You make it look like cheating, but it is just the rules of the game when you know how to SEO. It’s why some thumbnails are better than others, that’s why titles are important and why keywords/tags are important for Youtube / google clics.
Making a video, to have no one being able to find my video, is a bit of a waste don’t you think? If they found my video, and clicked on it, obviously they know what they get since the title is not clickbait ? So where is the harm?
So please, trying to fish ‘‘likes’’ because you like to kick a small youtuber like me, to try to make their videos more known to the public, is kinda lame. I’m sure you can agree, that is why I don’t expect you to answer this :slight_smile:

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i mean that didnt prevent you from doing an enhancement shaman guide xd

on topic though: didnt watch the video, is waaaaay too long. Just skipped to the finished list at the end. Seems okay. I would rate enh higher than b tier but you are not completely wrong with this tier list.

i personally dont think its thaaat bad to do stuff like that especially when you are a small channel trying to grow.

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Damn you are still on it ! Are you comparing Enhancement shamans and Rogues complexity wise? :stuck_out_tongue: But I can appreciate that dig no biggy.

B+ means close to meta, so it’s not bad either. I just think Ret is the better version at the moment. Or IMHO I rate RET/WAR higher than TURBO. But I can maybe agree with you with maybe putting it in A tier since it can be meta aswell. Kinda torn now !

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And I don’t do that, and find it extremely pathetic and despicable that other people such as you do it, literally trying to cheat their content into the searches even though it wouldn’t be relevant, and leeching off parasites the fame of others by using their namea.

And all of that hidden after 20 line skips in the description like a rat.

Pathetic.

There is nothing low in calling someone a cheater and a leech when it’s displayed publicly. You use keywords that don’t match your content, so you lie, and you use other’s names, so you leech. See, it is just a factual definition of what you’re doing.

Pause in your answer, and consider that last paragrah I just wrote. Using words that don’t match your content is lying to an audience, using other’s fame to get views is leeching. By definition. There is no argument around that.

I am well aware of the “initial growth” step of a yt channel. You had two options. You could have made sure your content was as good as you could make it, that it looked the way you wanted, and that this work would attract people for its actual worth. And you could have grown on that, with ciews coming only from people that wanted to look at your content because it matched what they wanted to see. And you picked option two, use deception and leech off bigger people to get more views, instead of solely focusing on having an audience that wants your content for what it is. That is sad to me.

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Frankly I don’t care what you think. You can learn me how to assass rogue Sepsis vendetta.
And I can learn you how to SEO. You are never going to find me when you type Asmongold, but the viewers of Asmongold ( or frankly any other streamer that i’ve written in the concepts) can find me a little bit easier whenever they are going to type about a tier list, pvp guide and so on.
It’s not leeching because again, they aren’t going to find me if they are not going to type the relevant words.

You really do not know how SEO’s work.

The one who is pathethic, is you, since you obviously have the time to critic my channel and how I try to make it as open as possible to the broader audience.
You clearly have too much time on your hands to comment all of this to make a point ( which is irrelevant but also super wrong).

I didn’t say that you do it, you do you. I don’t need to learn you how to assass rogue, and you clearly don’t need to learn how to SEO. :slight_smile:
Just to be sure you understand that.

‘‘Pathetic’’, Pretty sure I can return the compliment to your white knighting ( about a subject you are completly wrong ).

You clearly don’t know what you are talking about. Content, can always be better, but with bad SEO’s, bad thumbnails, and bad Titles ( which is OPTIMIZATION), you won’t reach anyone.
Also, it is not leeching, because again, you don’t know what SEO’s do, writing those names or subjects, don’t make them find me when they type WARLOCK into a melee tier list. But, someone that is interested about Warlocks, will find my channel or my videos when typing that relevant subject. ( So if they type Tier list shadowlands Season 3, they might find me better, it’s called ''Targetting your audience).

Sit this down mate, you have too much time on your hands to white knight that subject

Also, don’t be sad? Again, you are clearly wrong and I explained it in every language possible how those SEO’s work and how those tags / keywords worked. Now you have become a bit more brighter than yesterday.
Since you give alot of great Rogue lessons, maybe you should accept a bit of SEO lessons.
Now, if you want to leave the subject, I can understand since frankly you nor me have anything to gain by discussing further.

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Teach*

I don’t feel bad at all criticizing people who leech and lie to get a bit more views instead of focusing on their content. You publicly advertise yourself on a public and open forum, expect to receive criticism.

Btw it isn’t because skill capped, well known for trying to grab a few bucks selling guides to people that they can find for free elsewhere, does it that it is good or respectable. It is not. There are many people doing wrong things, it is not an excuse to do it as well.

Clearly not. I did not create a channel myself, and created an audience myself. Clearly I have no experience in the matter. Clearly.

How did I reach people without your 50 cheat lines hidden in shame at the bottom of your descriptions behind lines and lines of blank ? How could I do it ?

Ah yes. More brighter.

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Skillcapped is a company afterall, but they use SEO’s perfectly. I think nearly every pvper or interested in pvp, has heard about Skillcapped. Like it or not.

Good for you? I’m not bashing your channel? You did it the old fashion way, which is fine, you filled a niche that is now filled. If a channel makes content like ‘‘Para’’ ( don’t know if you know him), with ‘‘better’’ content than him, you won’t overtake or take the niche back from him, for exemple. ( Also, you bashing about my content, doesn’t actually say anything about my content but more about your taste. Your channel isn’t my taste either, but i’m not here bashing it for exemple. And the reason why I post on forums, is again, to discuss about the things I post, or about a subject, or A guide, or Whatever, actually just raising awareness about WoW PVP. )

Explained it on the paragraph above, but you did it how you did it, that’s good for you.
I do it how I do it, and that’s good for me. You aren’t a model for me either, and I am not for you, which is perfectly fine right?

Again, What I do, Is not cheating anyone lol. Writing names, subjects, or anything ( because the latter from the ‘‘concept’’ I wrote, are titles or subjects I made videos about. ) doesn’t deceive anyone or anything. It just enables people to find my content more easily if they type that certain content. If you think that’s cheating or deceiving, you are entitled to your opinion. For me it’s fair game, and It is frankly the first time someone commented about this because again, NO ONE CARES.

BUT, clearly you do. And I guess that’s your problem… Tbh, since i’m posting on the forums, I already felt you had something against me for some kind of reason. A bit of fixation don’t you? Anyways, I frankly don’t really care. Kinda wish you ignored me since you don’t add anything of value for me and most of the posts you do post on the forum is kinda negative ( towards me or other people. )

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So me and numerous people saying that your lack of experience caused visible flaws to appear in your videos is just a taste because it is criticism ? I guess that if it is an argument then everyone telling you you did good are also talking out of personal taste and you actually didn’t do anything good.

See how stupid that sounds ?

OF COURSE that any opinion is bound to personal taste. Now, if many people find it good, chances are it is good. If many people find it bad, chances are it is bad. Because if it is good it will look “tasty” to more people, same with bad. That’s the enitre concept of opinions.

Indeed. And anyone, me included, are entitled to calling you a leech of they think so.

I guess pointing out your copy paste causing your timestamp to display 2v3 in your 3v3 video holds some value if you wish it corrected.

Also you type a lot for someone who “doesn’t care and is able to receive criticism”.

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Everything is personal taste. People said s*** about my content without even watching said content. I take critic with a pinch of salt, and I take praises with a pinch of salt, I always try to improve my content. But you are talking about how I put CONCEPTS UNDERNEATH A VIDEO. You are taking this way out of context too.

And also, following your logic, More people found it better than worse about the latest videos I posted. So I don’t get your reasoning? Wow forums aren’t bringing any viewers in general terms. I post here to spark the conversation. I could talk about where my viewers come from tho, but that’s a whole other topic don’t you think?

Like I can call you a White knight trying to defend a wrong opinion.

Indeed, I might correct that indeed. It is a copy paste from the 2V2 video because obviously, we are talking about the same subjects at the same structural point of the video. Thanks for pointing it out :slight_smile:

I type alot about my content, you type alot about my content. Now, who is losing more time?
I can take Critic, but your opinion about the Concepts and how you find it ‘‘pathetic’’ is just wrong and of course i’m going to defend my point since you are tainting it on a forum lmao. If I called you a fraud about X, Y, Z, you are also going to defend your point of interest since obviously, it is about you? And if you don’t, well you have no time to defend yourself but you have time to attack someone else? ( About a nonsensical subject)

Anyhow, I think we wasted enough time about this don’t you think? :slight_smile:

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Yet you refuse any and all negative criticsm even when brought up in a polite manner and accurate, like the first answer Broxiz made to your “guide”.

As such it doesn’t seem like your purpose is to spark conversation.

You asked by displaying it on a forum. Don’t do it if you can’t handle comments.

If you had grounds on which to make that sort of accusations we would see. Here you are by definition leeching. That’s it. If it is an acceptable practise in your standards, you have terrible standards. But hey as long as you sleep sound at night you lead your life as you wish. Dont expect people to applaud though.

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to be honest i’m more annoyed by the self promotion with the constant crapping up of the board every single time you make a new video than the questionable content itself, which is essentially very low effort clickbait tierlists and as a result i don’t even open the videos anymore instead of giving them at least a chance

at some point it felt you were going away from this format and there were signs of improvement so you had my support but it seems like you’ve taken steps back lately

i don’t know, maybe it’s me but i find it extremely rude to self promode your stuff in the arena forums to begin with because that’s clearly not the scope of the board (inb4 better than all the whine threads – no it’s not both are equally garbage)

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Never seen the problem with self-promotion, personally. Not sure how one would get themselves known if they don’t promote themselves, especially in WoW.

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I would assume that Spektral point isn’t “self promotion is bad, you should not do it ever” but rather “opening 14 threads a week in the wow forum arena section everytime you start a new tierlist spree of questionnable quality is annoying”.

There is a where and a how regarding self promotion, and spamming the forums every single video isn’t the good way. People don’t come to the official forum to see posts that don’t even encourage discussion, but are simply “hey I did that here is the link go look good day”. Reddit in the wow section would be a way better fit imo.

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Meh, I don’t mind it. 99% of forum discussions aren’t productive and derail, opinions never/extremely rarely change and you can’t argue with stubbornness.

I’d rather see someone trying to get recognised for content and receiving feedback than read the majority of the posts that I do. Although OP is giving me ‘only comment if you’re going to praise me’ vibes.

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If OP spent the time he spends, on writing all the youtube tags and forum posts, on gitting gud in the game instead, he would have already gotten a larger audience than he can achieve with such desperate shilling attempts of his youtube channel.

Yes your rival 1 experience is of highest value. And there is nothing more important than personal feelings from some random person on wow forum with borderline racist guild name.

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That’s pretty much the case. Don’t think anyone have problem with self promotion from time to time from a new youtuber. But if the work is both lazy and he isn’t able to take criticism in the slightest, it’s more annoying spam. His content feels like mail that would be insta thrown in spam folder. Because it isn’t accurate and he have nothing to back up his kind of content. His stubbornness isn’t helping him either.