Unlike 10-man raids, cannot be done within your friend pool (noone has 25+ friends in WoW)
Far harder to organise, roster is more difficult to maintain, artificially increasing the accessibility of content
Will kill most SoD guilds, since they are generally centered around 10-man raids and rosters
Detrimental to the social aspect. In a 10-man raid you always socialize and talk, in a 40-man raid you cannot maintain a normal conversation and will be asked to clear the comms, with only the raid leader speaking
Mechanics and responsibilities cannot be explained to everyone in person due to the sheer number of players
You do not feel like you matter because you comprise 2.5% of the raid, and the difference between your standing AFK and pumping is insignificant
40-man raids were removed from classic 1/3 way in for a reason, let us not bring them back please
There were plenty of people posting here that wanted to do Stockades on Living Flame with their 10 000 friends that got left out when the servers were locked.
40 man raids are the centerpiece for world of warcraft and if u think content was easy u must have never done any of it because it was really hard. We could do away with most runes too I mean just keep a few QoL runes and discard the rest. Vanilla was the closest version to perfection the game has seen, every class had a viable spec.
In your argument you missed the part where you specified why it was good
Not only did I do it, but I did it in SoM, where it had increased difficulty, and yes it was still easy.
Never claimed it was hard in this post though, idk why you suddenly brought up difficulty.
That is great. In vanilla, you are just one soldier, not a super hero like in later expansions. Armies charge the boss; our brothers in arms is dying on the left and right, but fights still continue until the last man stands. This is way better raiding than in 10m. 10m feels like a dungeon (it belongs to wow for sure, but there should be something bigger too). And when difficulty rises,in 10m the raid leader will call for a wipe after the first death and try it again and again. That is not how I imagine epic raid.
I think it is the opposite, 10 man raid is bad and there is why I think 40 man is better:
1.- 10 man raids limits the classes specs, some non-meta will hardly get invited, especially from pugs.
2. -you do not have to raid only with friends.
3.-10 man raids will get much more weird in terms on min-maxing.
4.-guilds have better meaning and good players get better value in 40 man raids, current 10 man guilds just recruit as many ppl as possible, but take in raid mostly their friends and fotm classes/specs.
5.-mechanics and responsibilities can be explained, and i have been in 40 man raids where you do not even need DBM, just have to listen to raid leader.
6.-40 man raids are easy and more forgiving compared to 10 man, when 3 ppl die on 10 man raid its 30% of the raid, for 40 man its 12 dead ppl, you get the point?
7.-40 man raids where was removed for reasons, different from what you think.
can add more, but those are enough
I agree with pros, Classic wow is all about feeling more epic, on later expansions that was lost forever.
Peace!
Because you believe that raids at 40 will prevent check gearscores, logs, parses, and invite non-OP classes/specs?
It won’t change anything compared to the current situation, it will even be worse, because the organization will be much longer and more tedious and if you don’t bring with you your 40 WB/pots/etc which will cost you 50g per raid, you won’t go anywhere.
The WoW community is terrible, and the WoW PVE community is even worse. Don’t forget this.
It happens that every community is terrible, never had to play big online game with nice community, its the human nature. 40 man will not prevent all those checks, it is not about this. 40 man raiding with all that costs feels just more right, and guilds feels like guilds and have meaning to join one.
I don’t, but it’s still better than with pugs / half-pugs
How?
No, becaise even a pumper in a 40 man raid only comprises like 5% of DPS at best, but in a 10 man raid up to 20%, so you are more valuable in a 10-man roster
Only logical on the surface. Where 3 people die in a 10 man raid 12 would die in a 40-man raid
because it is 10 man?
After filling tank and healer spots (the fotm classes are taken, because is most efficient), left dps is considered by buffs, utility they provide and the current best dealer, you can check for P2 which specs/classes are meta, and which ones hardly get the spot. Yes there are exceptions like if you play with friends, in guild that can give the spots etc, just there is some players who cannot keep with guilds, solo players who prefer puging etc . But I am not commenting that.
isn’t weird enough that GS, exp, wb+consumes was asked on 25lvl and 40lvl content with checking logs etc.? In classic we did 40 man raids with green so called pre-bis and was just fine, don not know what is wrong with that SoD community.
Yes ofc, 40 is 4x10? can not understand what do you mean, anyway.
-Yes, raid/boss mechanic can wipe whole raid, if tanks or healers die, DC, server crash and so on. So seems like working on logical surface is more logical?
No, 40 man raids aren’t bad. You’re just a spoiled brat with no guild management (aka social) abilities who happen to think everything has to evolve around his few imaginary friends.
For the record, I built single handedly several BWL/AQ40/Naxx guilds just showing a bit of common sense and being polite. I am also happening to be officer in a succesfull guild built just 3 weeks ago by me and my 2 friends alone. We are farming Gnomeragan with 3x 10 man raids and could easily go 4x right now if only we would desire so. To jump from our current situation to a 40 man raid would be a day work, tops 2.
TLDR: What are you saying is total bull, without any relevance or logical reasoning behind it. Like I said you, you are just a spoiled retailer who was previously given by Blizzard a RPG with some multiplayer aspects in it ; not an MMO, which stands for MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ROLE PLAYING GAME.
And there is nothing massive in the 10 man raids you so stupidly advocate. 10 man raids are trash, period, just 2x 5 man parties sticked together with some crap glue by incompetent individuals who promote mediocrity.
So don’t be mediocre. Aspire to greatness, which is related to numbers bigger than 10. Be better.
dont bring their desire to take the easy route as evidence of 40 mans being bad. they literally made 25 and 10 mans cause it was easier to balance, not because it was better
In your argument you failed to specify why they were bad.
‘boo hoo i dont like them’ isn’t an argument.’
40 man raids are a part of Classic, they’re enjoyable. 10 man is boring as hell and feels more like a dungeon than a raid. Furthermore, 10man doesn’t give you the ability to have all the buffs available.
And wit hthe rosters being so tight, you have no room for anybody outside of the top 3 meta specs.
Yet Blizzard remade Classic because people continued to ask for the old things back. This is a VERY poor argument.
By your logic, we might as well just scrap every Classic server and all go play retail instead.
