Enchanting vellums

In Development WoW Forever Beta Discussion
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Yesterday, Kaivax posted a reminder that Blizzard will be banning gold sellers and buyers.

The blue post also announced a new automated pop-up message that will appear when trading another player.

If in-game trades are going to be monitored and trading illicit gold is going to be punished with bans, this will make me uneasy when trading with people in game. How am I supposed to know that the person I am selling crafted goods or services to is not going to trade me illicit gold?

Everyone who have played WoW know that professions and crafted goods have always been an important part of the game. Even more so in WoW Forever.

Now, with most professions selling goods can safely take place via the in-game Auction House. However, this isn’t the case with enchanting. If you are selling enchants, you have to trade the person whose gear you are enchanting. Any tip or fee has to come through trade.

One possible objection is that Blizzard won’t bother for a petty 2 gold enchant fee. There are two problems here. First, there are those dedicated enchanters who sell tens, if not hundreds, of enchants every week and receive good payment for this; and some enchanters charge hefty fees for rare enchants. Second, we don’t know what Blizzard would consider a petty trade - and we are unlikely to learn ever.

Another objection is that this would undermine the so much lauded social aspect of the game. Supporters of social interaction should, however, explain why enchanting is so special as to not have the option to trade via the Auction House. Or in other words, why should a blacksmith be able to post a Lionheart Helmet on the Auction House, while the enchanter has to use trade to sell a crusader enchant?

In any case, there’s a real risk that enchanters may get unfairly banned. The best possible solution would be to introduce enchanting vellums, as they were introduced in Wrath of the Lich King, or a similar system.

I hope the community will recognize the problem and support their local enchanters, so they can continue offering their skills without fear of account suspension.

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No anything from retail is automatically bad no matter what it is or how it affected the game!!

How dare you suggest something sensible and easily workable!!

We must never change the precious!!

Heretic!!

Burn the witch!!

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Sorry, wood is out of stock in the AH. Can´t burn her. Throw her from a cliff could work for you? Or feed her to Theramore´s Bay sharks?

On a serious note, enchanting is at a big disavantage compared with the other professions regarding the RMT gold issue. If they are going to enforce a zero tolerance policy, then they have to provide a way for a safe enchanting bussiness.

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This really needs a bigger audience. As I’ve been saying the same. Also the issue with having enchanting and wanting to enchant my items on another character, but now I can’t. Having to pay a big price to a bot when I could’ve done it myself.

Another issue I see with it is that when I wanted to lvl my enchanting I just kept enchanting the same items to level up cause I am not gonna go through the effort of looking for people to sell and deal with all that hassle that comes with it.

Now that they removed the price from wands which was the only viable way to make money from enchanting other than selling your materials that you can actually need then this is a good fix for that.

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Vellums are great for players, because it removes the scam aspect as well. And ofc there is no way of knowing if a player has bought gold or not when it comes to offering services.

Whether or not they’ll introduce them in Forever remains to be seen.

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enchanting has allways been very expensive to skillup - but its becomming insane now. we really need the vellums for it to be worth having the skill

has anyone checked if DisEnchanting works on classic or TBC principle??

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I fully agree. Enchanting vellums would be a great quality of life improvement. When leveling enchanting, you often overwrite enchants on your own bracers because it’s the cheapest way to gain skill, even though those enchants could be useful to other players.

Vellums would also reduce trade chat spam, searching for an enchanter, and waiting around—annoying for both enchanters and customers. Direct enchanting could still remain available whenever needed.

I really don’t see why vellums shouldn’t be added. Just have a vendor sell blank ones; that would also remove a little gold from the game.

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yes add them to a vendor. or make them craftable from LW or skinning - afterall vellums are just pieces of skin

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Blizzard needs to do two things:

  • Add the possibility to enchant with the customer’s mats
  • Add a very limited cooldown based vellum or other friction to support some profit to the enchanter on cooldown while also benefiting the player’s ability to directly buy enchants. This one is not mandatory but is a nice flavor to Arcanite/Mooncloth transmute.
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with the latest 1c vendor price, enchating is dead, all enchating mats crashed to a couple of silver max. every armor/weapon i checked was not worth to disenchat anymore, jsut vendor it directly.

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I was so happy to have disenchanting not completely suck. With the way they are implementing it it will cost a fortune to level up. Enchanters would fight the whole region instead of their realm.

Every enchanter will struggle to enchant and make good profit.

I was going tailoring/enchanting but tailoring/mining is just the better choice.

Who would want to sacrifice so much gold to not even have secure profit like potions/herbs or arcanite transmutes?

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As someone who does enchanting to make a gold, this is very frustrating. There are enchants you want to be payed for, not just because you spent the time to gain rep, but also because you sit next to your PC waiting for someone to come.

With this? You will be expecting to get a ban everyday for doing what? Supporting economy and players? That’s trully disturbing. And when it does happen, you will get auto response from some AI bot, that your despute was not valid, because you bought gold.

So basically invest ton of time into the game just to not use the proff on anyone except few of your friends, because you don’t want to be banned. Great.

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I fully support this.
Having vellums would also get rid of the endless spam of “enchanting services” macros that plagues the trade chat (have a look on tbc classic, it’s absolutely wild).
It’s ridiculous that every other profession lets you craft on your own and enchanting requires you to either waste your mats on replacing an enchant over and over on your own items OR waste your time spamming in trade chat asking for fees or donations.

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Dude what.

Option 1: You put up a grey worthless item for the gold you bought, the seller buys it. Done deal.

Option 2: The seller finds you, you trade a worthless item for the gold you bought. Done deal.

Option 3: The seller mails it to you.

There’s zero risk an enchanter is going to get caught in the middle, because an enchanter actually.. interacts with the gear that is put in the window and the mats that are traded in return and you get a minor to bigger fee depending on what was enchanted. What an insane take.

If ya’ll want to level your enchanting, have you considered.. Providing free enchants to people while you skill? Just a thought. Always works, people happily swing by and take one, acting as if people want to pay 10s-1g while they leveling when gear gets replaced 5-10 levels later.. Moah. Do you think the rest of the profession gets to sell their gear that they make to other players? Like.. I wish.

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Very good. Now you have to answer these two questions:

First.

How is this:

different from:

The seller finds you, you trade a worthless enchant for the gold you bought. Done deal.

There’s no difference. The fact that enchanters interact with gear may actually be used as a cover for gold sellers and buyers. Blizzard may specifically target such interactions. And legitimate traders may get unfairly banned along with the offenders. Your claim that there’s a ‘zero risk’ for enchanters is very shaky.

And second.

Why do other crafting professions have the option to sell their stuff on the Auction House, while enchanters cannot sell their enchants there?

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If we do Vellums, I also want:

  • Meeting stones to be summoning stones
  • Work orders
  • Level 60 boost because I don’t like leveling
  • Flying because its so stupid to wait 5 minutes for a boat

Oh wait.. You can even play this TODAY!

The only thing they should do is design a system that lets you search for crafters, sell your services so they don’t spam the trade chat. It would be nice if you can search for crafters nearby and see their professions.

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yes. lets get rid of the warlock summoning bot mafia

havent played retail in over a decade, so cant say how it works. but fundamentally how is it different from a “WTB” in the same way that AH is basicly the same as a “WTS”

no, just no. if people wanna play “Forever” they should play all of forever. not just endgame

dont be silly. its what killed the world of TBC and onwards. it got even worse once cata hit and remade the world to allow flying

sounds good. some form of bullitin board - could even be an actual board in the cities - where you can sign up your profession, and also say “i want this item, someone make it”
it would atleast be more interactions than AH is. tho AH is good for tradegoods, reagents and stuff like that

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Ah yeah, the slippery slope!

But I’m not asking for a QoL improvement for enchanters, although it would be one.

I’m asking for a system that ensures enchanters won’t risk getting banned as supposed gold buyers, because Blizzard is planning to crack down on RMT transactions.

If there’s a way to do it while preserving the current state of enchanting (i.e. only making enchants via the trade window), I won’t mind that. But I am really unsure how it could be done :frowning:

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Honey pie sugar bun, there’s a world of difference between paying 10s for a worthless enchant and paying 100-5000g for a worthless enchant.

Let’s not pretend it’s even going to be an issue.

The problem is, that the only things that do sell for other profession, is expensive to make things and the amount of sacrifices you need to make to rngesus to get it to sell is just not worth the hassle certainly not for leveling, we’re talking about gear that people twink with.. 2-3 months after launch.
Like the rest of the professions that dump an ungodly amount of resources which is basically worthless and could have been sold as base materials for a much higher turnover, so to does enchanters need to deal with the fact that, leveling a profession is a sunk cost until they can provide enchants that people need and want.

And unlike the rest of the professions, Enchanters/Alchemists get a continuous stream of income from their enchants/pots at the end of it whereas other crafting professions such as Tailoring/Leatherworking and Blacksmithing have much lower rates of profits at the end game if they have any at all.

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Have fun with Region wide megaserver Enchanting bots that switch layers and spam everything since they dont have a CAP on how many people that can enchant, which severely reduces the ability for a normal person to sell their enchants.

If you don’t play much my advise is just pick herb/skinning mine/skinning and call it a day, unless you are cloth and can still get tailoring + mine/herb.

I would put an enchanting vellum only if its like 3 to 4 day cooldown. This way I will be sure that i can atleast sell something every few days since AH demand will be strong.