The explanation is that prot war burst was extremely high for a tank.
Ion. This is BS. The issue isn’t the Prot War’s burst.
The issue is that other tanks are clearly just not hitting as hard. You’ve cut the balls off of tanks this whole expansion. Ruined us since Legion and after 8.1.5 where you fixed a lotta stuff now you’re doing it AGAIN…
STOP NERFING TANKS. Its bad enough that our independent ability to kite / slow is atrocious, but now you just neutered the Avatar Talent.
I loved Legion when i could hold my own in PVP against mages, paladins, warlocks, assa rogues. You’re making that increasingly harder… because all you play is Ele shaman which is more cancer than ever.
Can we please hire developers for each class who actually MAIN THEM. Because I am tired of seeing you nerf specs that you clearly dont play. Prime example being the moment BFA released.
Undo the prot war damage nerf and buff other tanks damage. Its bad enough that the open world scaling is so bad and that everything is so super tanky and slow to kill because of mega inflated health-pools although nothing does any remote damage.
Dont get me wrong. if prot pala dps is already high then leave it alone.
But Blizzards explanation sounded like the other tanks were lower.
Long story short. I just want them to stop touching the prot war because 8 out of 10 times they make it worse. So dead tired of this. They obviously dont play it.
Edit: And btw. The only reason prot pala is having such high damage isn’t due to prot pala spec. Its the paladin itself. Their holy damage bypasses all armor. Their offensive cooldowns last forever.
Those 2 factors alone would make anyone broken. Im seeing so many complaints from the arms war community but the issue isn’t that arms damage is low. Its just the fact that we are subject to armor and most other classes aren’t. But blizz absolutely ignore this fact.
Prot use shield it means we need to keep doing great damage .
,dk has only one sword,
brewmaster has a staff
Dh,has 2 swords or glaive
paladins has a shield:the immortals
Druid has claw but they ussing armor to become almost unpenetrable
Protection ignore pain isn’t that bad but it’s also not so good,when we stunned we get reckt easy,we are the first tank who dies first,all the others above can survive easy then we prot do it.Listen i don’t want to use a protection warrior that has basically almost 0 damage.
druid and dh got buffed ,now we will have less warriors prot in key,raids,everything,sad but true.
Honestly i wanted to main a prot warrior but after leveling him up and switching between specs it feels insanely boring to main a prot warrior while i can play fury which is actually fun… Pve questing as tank is ultra slow and dull and pvp is a joke i tickle my enemies and they laugh while they kill me…why would anyone wanna play this when they can choose fury which is fun and fast paced? This is why you see tank players declining in numbers.you play a game because you enjoy your time playing it. nowadays feels like we ve reached a point where we are being forced to play in a certain way thats not even enjoyable and we continue doing that just because there s no other way… My point is that blizzard has to have some players to feel the game and actually listen to their game awareness and make changes accordingly. I understand that tanks shouldnt deal the same amount of dps as a dps class but they shouldnt have zero dmg as well like they have now…make them useful and enjoyable by giving them more utility so they can work as a support class for their team even at pvp. Or At least if you dont wanna do that give us the option to switch specs anytime we want and be able to play the other spec efficiently without having to have stored 3 sets of gear with the traits for each spec which will take 2 lifetimes to gather.and by the time you do it will be useless because there will be new gear out and higher ilvl … i want to be able to play my class as a whole with all its tools and all specs depending on how i feel like . Why taking away that from us and force us to invest on a single spec. Its taking away so much
Dream on boy,you’l never see that happen in modern wow you will only see all classes in needed to switch talents in order to play something else.
This won’t change us,but i am curious how many will still play protection in this patch.? I will give a go at the beginning a few times,and if i will found it irrelevant then i’ll just put specialization away for this patch.
And you are being arrogant in thinking that 1 tank spec doing same or more damage as dps at the same time as having awsome survivability is fine for balance.
Blizzard could have nerfed survivability and kept the damage but something had to be done about prot warrior.
Anyway, I’m fine with warrior doing a lot of damage, I’d love it, actually. But we’d have to be carefully designed around and there’d have to be trade offs…
Off the top of my head, revert Unstoppable Force. Then, you could reduce our base armor and make ravager a 30 second CD. Ravager’s on the same line as Anger Management which is core to our damage output… Survivability or damage, an interesting choice which creates two types of warrior tanks.
Without AM, there’s also less need for Bolster, so we’ll need to buff Never Surrender or Indomitable to make them a little less meh. Never surrender could get it’s 100% extra bonus at… maybe… 35% health or/and Indomitable could increase the amount you block by 10% as well as the 10% health.
Ravager and Indomitable/NS are buffed which makes up for our lost armor and then some, but we sacrifice our damage. The current AM/Deafening Crash is still there, but we take more damage.
I keep hearing this. How prot out-dpsed everyone. yet every mythic + I do i never outdps players minus carries or healer etc. As it should be. Everyone’s damage is solid.
The only example I saw was 1 boss fight on mythic. During a specific phase.
In no other circumstance have I felt like I was overpowered. So stop being hyperbolic.
And i know, you’re probably gonna reply with " Thats because your DPs is low" or “You dunno how to play then” – but the facts are that if a tank outdpses you in typical circumstances, thus calling for a 70 % flat nerf during all encounters… you are the trash one. Simple as that.
I’ve felt balanced, capable ever since 8.1.5. And a 25-50 % nerf I could be more reasonable with. But 75 % has me feeling like they have borderline neutered 50 % of the talent’s core values.
Btw. Suggesting that prot war surv should be nerfed magnifies you have no remote clue what you’re talking about.
As I replied to the paladin. if a tank outdpses you in typical circumstances and not overblown hyperbolic situations 99 % of people wont run into, then you are simply bad DPS
Simple as that.
Edit:" Further clarification. There are many reasons why a tank can be ahead in specific circumstances. They should not be generalized and considered the baseline damage for X tank. If a prot war out-dpses you in a boss fight without trash and he actively does more damage than you 1v1, then there is a problem.
But we dont.
I will agree to disagree. You guys have fun. At the end of the day my spec is grossly nerfed because everyone overreacts.
So you think taking the lowest amount of physical damage of all the tanks, doing the highest amount of aoe damage, does not virtue a nerf.
You are either new to wow or have never ever followed any sort of pattern of blizzard, anyone with half a brain knew something was coming for the prot warrior.
And btw i was saying blizzard could have chosen to go for it not that it was a good idea or that they should have but that you ignore.
Prot warrior is still good for m+ btw so clearly the nerf did not actually make it as bad as you are complaining about.
the highest runs that are done in m+ so far is warrior tank that has done.
Go watch the MDI.
You will learn.
Not the context people are talking about and YOU KNOW IT.
I love Prot and I will never stop playing him. No matter what happened to him, he always have been fun to play for me and it’s pretty much the only class/spec I’ve played. Also the first one when I started playing WoW.
The n1 warrior world is also n10 warrior world with his prot warrior spec.
I guess the rest of 1 million playing warrior are bad according to your garbage argument?
You cant be dpsing 80% more than other tanks do, i know you like it but the rest dont and that is making a serious unbalance in the game between classes.