8.3 Spoilers (Saurfang died for nothing, the confrontation of Orgrimmar was pointless and the Horde only lives at the mercy of the Alliance -da heck blizz?)

How about size ?

Can a gnome take on a tauren ? :stuck_out_tongue:

A gnome could solo murder the entirety of the Bloodhoof tribe in cold blood naked, using a screwdriver and a bag of jelly bears if the plot demanded it.

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Why is it that every time the Horde doesn’t get an undisputed victory in their genocidal campaigns, it is a personal attack on Horde players?

The Horde - the playable Horde - won. The Alliance won. Sylvanas and her loyalists lost. The bad guys lost.

Was it a “direct spit in the face to all Alliance fans” when Blizzard killed 3 Alliance faction leaders in Cataclysm, then? Or do those not count because you can’t actually remember who those leaders were?

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You should win a trophy for best aphorism.

Ending of Mists of Pandaria, “The Alliance is the sole superpower left in Azeroth.”

Battle for Azeroth: The Horde proceeds to start another world war killing several tens of thousands of people, never suffering any consequences in the process, getting three Sadfang-HD-cinematics, while the victims of the war get told to shut up

Oh, and obviously numbers suddenly matter. It never mattered when Sylvanas and her loyalists alone where for some reason stronger than Alliance and rebels combined. But, now when the Alliance or Kul Tiras still has a fleet they matter because it’s obviously Alliance bias!

At this point I believe that if Stormwind (the entire kingdom) would be nuked into complete oblivion people would still scream that it is Alliance bias.

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Have you tried to read this topic ?

853 replies !
It almost tackles the High Elves as a playable race thread.

Some topics just defy the laws of logic itself, in a negative way.

-_-

Cheers.

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Hmm hi I guess.

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Legion- the Alliance and Horde lose most of their Fleets on the Broken Shore.
The Alliance took more of a hit than the Horde on all Zones and quests.
Leaving the super power Weakend.
Leaving them and the Horde about Equal after the Legion is Vanquished with the Night elves, Draenei and Humans having suffered the Wurst of it.

The Dranei delpleted Themselves for the Campaing of Argus ( Before the Storm)
The Light Forged is a Valid point however.

However by the end of Legion the Alliance was no longer Strong enough to Stand as Sole Super power.
By Anduin’s own words they lacked the strength to starve off Horde Aggression.
(Rich coming from the guy, flooding Orgrimmar with spies, sabotaging their mining efforts to secure the resource, before he knew what it was)

Did you even read the topic?

Fandral Staghelm ( an Alliance antagonist since the Book Stormrage or even the Night elf comics), Arch Bishop Benedictus (hinted bad guy since the Short story where Anduin saved Varian’s life or was it a book?)

Magni Bronzebeard who is not dead?

However all of those ‘deaths’
and fall to corruption served as a means to High light the Threat of the Twilight, the elementel lords and Deathwing himself.

However having the Horde go through the close to rehazed plot of mists which no one honestly liked the first time.
however this time instead of where it is fitting.
the Horde Narrative is constantly until 8.2.5 telling you to feel ashamed to be Playing the Horde.
They had an Npc placed in Orgrimmar to tell you how bad the -burning-
is, they had your leaders telling you this is bad every step of the way.
Npcs and so on.

Even victories you are given, you’re told to feel shameful about by the narrative.
Can you say the same for the Alliance Narative of this?
Heck even the Murder of Rastakhan was just brushed away immediately when Anduin brings it up.

Next we’ve the Journey of Saurfang where he goes from the Strong an prominent respected warrior to a first suicidal shameful mess, to a Coward hiding needing the Alliance King to cheer him up.
to Thankfully a proud warrior again that fetches the Heart of the Horde.

Aside from that you’ve Baine, being fine with the use of the Plight, the resurrection of the dead, the bomb trap in UC, the death of the Zandalari king.
But don’t you dare raise the dead family member of Jaina now that’s below his standards!
But wait this is Baine the clever bull that didn’t support Vol’jin til the correct moment to not endanger his people or himself from Garrosh.
-BfA.
I’mma risk my entire hide to free Derek.
Confess my doings with Pride to Sylvanas Windrunner whom, I just knowingly betrayed.

So, yes atop of all of this.
Then being told as a Horde Player, well your faction only exists because you know the Alliance totally didn’t need to make that last stand with the Saurfang, and you know him dying? totally could had been avoided!
the Kul’tiran fleet could had appeared from the Sea, Tyrande and the army of the Black moon could had stood at the Back Gate.

the Vindicaar could had been above Orgrimmar!
So, yes I think this very dialogue reveal is a huge spit in the Face to all who play Horde.

Going from a Beautiful the Honorable and the Alliance need to make this final strike to win, but it will be costly so, Saurfang stopped Hiding died to reveal Sylvanas and assure peace between the Factions.

To- Well guess what the Alliance had no, need to do that at all.
and your best boi Saurfang dead.

Now do I think the Night elves got a right to complain though? (Just the Night elves) For first being given that major loss at the start to be a bigger and more fancy Theramore rehase?
to them not being given any screen time or development because Blizzard wanted BFA to be about Humans and their Kingdoms.
Oh and Old gods.

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How dares BfA be about Kul Tiras when Kul Tiras is one of the expansion’s zones! Next you’re going to tell me that the draenei shouldn’t have been so important in WoD.

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you are missing the Point.
the Night elves were given the wurst hand at the start of this expansion, and was given nothing in return for it.

If this was to be about Human Kingdoms?
How about not dragging the Night elves down the mud?
Things need to have balance, both the Forsaken and the Night elves were dragged down the mud violently and was thrown no Bone in return for their patience in over all.

the Horde was merely spat on in compare compared to those two races.
So, how about destroying a Human Kingdom?
not the Night elf one, if you are going to put your focus on the humans mostly alone?

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Because literally every other Human kingdom except three are completely destroyed, with Stromgarde being contested and Dalaran having faced destruction twice in the previous expansion?

Saurfang died the death he wanted, and with the Death he did give hope to the Horde, and after Sylvanas lost control of her Emotions calling everyone " Nothing "

You could clearly see the Smile on Saurfang before he yelled FOR AZEROTH

He knew he had won, because now the Horde sees Sylvanas for the one she truly is.
He died bringing the Rebels of the Horde, and the Horde reunite.

Sure Tyrande and Genn will still fight the Horde, but i’d say they most of all want Sylvanas dead, same with Nathanos.

If the 2 would attack the Horde as whole, no doubt that Anduin, kul’tiras and all of the remaining of the Alliance WONT aid Tyrande - Genn in the atempt to defeat the Horde.

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Correct they would lift a finger at them and say no no don’t do that.
and treat it like it is not an issue.

This expansion started by the siege of Lordaeron, what more do you want.

a Human Kingdom destroyed?
since the focus must be on Humans, the surely one of their -Kingdoms-
should suffer and not a Horde capital of the Forsaken or an Alliance Capital of the Night elves?

Who said that the focus -must- be on humans, and who said that said focus -must- involve humans losing one of the few kingdoms they have left?

Just because horde squats somewhere doesn’t mean it’s theirs.

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Also, Stormwind was almost burned by a single torch in the beginning of BfA and Boralus was almost destroyed and the burning city is the setting of a dungeon at the beginning of BfA. Without taking into account the fact that once a week you get to see Stromgarde completely destroyed.

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Come on, the guy who burned Stormwind down could see what would happen in the the next few moments before they happen. That’s like the perfect arsonist. And Stormwind isn’t some futuristic city made of reinforced concrete. It’s mostly dry wood and stone.

So you agree that a single guy almost burned down Stormwind, prompting Jaina and her entire mage bodyguard to act immediately while forgetting to impede the Zandalari ship from departing?