A casual player's plight: Please re-introduce the dungeon finder (at least for previous xpac content)

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Hey folks, casual wotlk classic player here. I have been a filthy wow-normie for 15 years now, having had an (almost) constant subscription since TBC originally. I was always a normie, but it has gotten worse over the years, with real life obligations and such.

I have been enjoying the absolute nostalgic thrill-ride of re-discovering TBC and WOTLK immensely. However, as a self-proclaimed casual player (around 10 hours a week, tops), I am really finding the dungeon experience quite lackluster. This is mostly the case for previous expac content (classic and tbc) but it does in fact also relate to current content in low hours.

It is almost impossible to find groups. Especially for the longer dungeons, or the dungeons located far away from questing hubs (LBRS, UBRS, BRD, DM etc). Recently, I had a day off work and had the opportunity to spend a few hours levelling my alt (tauren druid). I had a few quests in Scholomance (and also, I just really wanted to go there for the nostalgia). I spent four hours in the group finder, actively spamming /4 chat, before finally assembling a group.

When we finally got inside, the tank went unresponsive after the 2nd boss and proceeded to leave the party and ghost us. We spent half an hour looking for a replacement, even offering gold in return, but with not a single player in the finder for Scholomance, we decided to abandon the effort.

This is just the one, albeit worst of many similar examples. It is an incredible hassle getting groups together for all but the most basic dungeons, and in many cases, people are just as cynical and egotistical, leaving, griefing and ignoring the group, as they were with the random dungeon finder back in the day. This has led to me basically avoiding dungeon content since I, as a causual with the above-mentioned available time for playing, simply don’t have the patience to spend all my available time to do one or two dungeons per week.

So Blizzard, please, re-introduce the dungeon finder (at the very least for previous content)

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Why the hell would you go there?

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I don´t undersand why is not implemented for normal dungeons 1-80 at least

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https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/world-of-warcraft/23793177/return-to-the-icy-realm-of-northrend-in-world-of-warcraft-wrath-of-the-lich-king-classic

Argument 1: Classic community said so

Factually wrong. They never asked the players about RDF in wotlk. Every poll ever made regarding RDF in wotlk said that players want the tool. Wotlk is not vanilla. Wotlk had RDF, vanilla had not. The idea about wow classic is an authentic experience without adding or removing features.

Argument 2: The importance of social bonds

Technically wrong. Most leveling dungeons are not visited, because of the lack of RDF. Especially on smaller servers it is so hard to find groups for most leveling dungeons, that players even stop trying. No dungeon=no social interactions=no social bonds.
Additionally social bonds in wotlk classic are formed through guilds and discord communities. That players form lasting bonds because of a dungeon run might have been a thing in vanilla, but is an absolute rarity in wotlk.

At max level its arguably even worse activity wise. Finding groups for normal heroics or alpha dungeons is impossible at times, especially, if the player looks for a specific dungeon. The gearing progression for fresh 80s was never as bad in original wotlk, as it is now with the custom changes. Again, no dungeons run=no chance of social interactions.

In conclusion: Blizzard is lying and incompetent on top.

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mamadrezagolzar XD

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trying to test somthing ahahahah

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Because he wants a new weapon that he will replace in the next 3 hours, and so he needs RDF so that he can get it near instantly.

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I hear you OP, sadly i dont think it will happen.

Because some fanatic keeps saying that “social pillars in an MMO is important”, which is true, they just dont want to admit its not happening in dungeons (wether it be RDF or LFG)

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To play the game.

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OK but at least he played to get that weapon that he replaced 3 hours later rather than, yanno, not play.

Also, what on earth do you think endgame raiding is?

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Hanging out with your friends during an activity you enjoy?

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Untrue, I play with looms and got enough gold from my main to buy decent gear without dungeons. I go there to experience the game and to revisit the old zones for nostalgia.

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So… how is this any different from people wanting to do dungeons?

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No, that is fine, but some things in OP’s posts just don’t line up.
He says that he’s here for “nostalgic thrill-ride of re-discovering TBC and WOTLK”, but then he complains about old dungeons experience being lackluster. But that’s no different to how the game was in TBC and WOTLK, so he should have expected that. It seems to me that all this long post background and talking about wanting to group up for old dungeons is just a made up excuse.

I have supported adding RDF for old content and on lowest pop realms in other threads before, but this just looks like a sham to take one step onto the slippery slope.

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I would happily argue that them never being run is, indeed, lackluster.

Into what exactly?

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Yes, it is, but that is just part of WotLK. I know some Wrath fans who think this situation is actually ejnoyable. Don’t ask me how, I have no idea, but it seems those who think WotLK was the best expansion somehow enjoy this.

The slippery slope that goes from RDF for some things, through RDF for everything and then to LFR.

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So where are all these threads asking for LFR since it’s supposedly the slippery slope you fear the most of all?

And do you think they’ll do Cataclysm and leave out LFR?

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They will appear on day 1 after RDF is realeased. That’s how slippery slopes work - they get you bit by bit and you can’t stop them, because with each step you slide down they get more traction from different interest groups (during Classic there was a wojack comic about Classic expansions in a similar vein, it ends with one of the wojacks going “BRING ON THE PANDAS!”, even though Pandaria was not mentioned before at all).

Honestly, I don’t know about Cataclysm. I think it would be interesting if they removed/changed some of the QOL fea… game overhauls, but I’m not holding my breath.

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I see, so your entire purpose of arguing against RDF is that “it might happen”.

The slope has to actually exists for it to work.

And let’s assume you’re right for a second here.

What is it you’re hoping for with the removal of game systems that were native to their expansions?

Classic+?

With this dev team?

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I don’ think “with this dev team” works as a counter-argument here. They can’t do no-changes and they can’t do changes, so no matter what they do it will be bad, but at least new things might end up interesting.