A coward and a disgusting person!

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So…what is wrong with people in m+?
Why do you guys leave after the first or second wipe?
Why bother joining if you are going to leave anyway?
Does your score matter more then your dignity?
If you want score…go with your guild.

We just started a ToP+12 and at the second boss we wiped…it happens.
The tank then decided to leave the group…not saying anything.

When we started the dungeon run i told everyone that its perfectly fine if we dont time it (since its my key), i just wanted a weekly vault to be of higher ilvl.
We could have had 1000 wipes it would still not have mattered to me.
But leaving???

Tank…if you are reading this i want you to know that:
-you are a coward!
-you are a disgusting person!

Blizzard should punish these people that leave higher level key runs before its finished…
…if it was me i would not allow them to join any m+ key runs for 6 to 10 weeks.

Sorry…had to get my frustration out.

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Lol, who would you run your keys with then?

And why don’t you follow the same advice? Just out of curiosity.

Pugging has its risks, always has been like this. And since you can’t reset a M+ dungeon like a raidboss you accept risking your key when running with strangers.

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Because i did not want to do a scored/timed run.
Hence why i told everyone that its ok if we dont time it.
So everyone knew before we started the dungeon that it was ok to NOT time it.

Hence why leaving a dungeon that is ok NOT to time makes no sense!

I know pugging has its risks, cuz lets face it…there are a lot of “intelligent” people in the game.
But i thought that once the obstacle of time is no longer relevant that they would stay and finish.
Apparently i was wrong.
People will be cowards and disgusting no matter what.

Lesson learned.

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I gave up trying to do mythics a long time ago because we could never finish one, someone would always leave and then we’d run out of time. I don’t know how people do it, but useless to try for me.

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it hes it reward 2 you know

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Did you state clearly that it would be for the weekly chest if it is out of time in your listing? Or did you only say that after you got the full group? That makes a difference.

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If it’s a run that was on LFD as “+X timed”, and we wipe on a boss that dooms the key, there’s little point in staying, if you were there for the timing alone. It’s a waste of time.

If we wipe because three full casts of Drain Fuilds go through in the first pull of Necrotic Wake, with everyone having their interrupts and stops available, there’s no point in staying further.

Just a few examples off the top of my head.

Because - foolishly, I know - I’d expect a run put on LFD as “in time” to be, well, in time. If it falls apart in horrible ways, what’s the point of finishing? I don’t need loot, and I’d rather fill my Vault with timed runs - more time efficient.

Selfish? Yes, it is. But when I’m pugging, I’m not a charity. I’m not there to help you. I’m there to help me. If the run’s good, great, a couple of friend requests will be going out, and then I’ll be there to help others aswell.

My time matters me more than finishing a doomed key.

If you want to avoid leavers, go with your guild. Or friends, or a community. Pugging comes at a risk. Always had, always will.

There’s a difference between “ok if we don’t time it”, and between “we’re finishing no matter what”. That you consider it ok doesn’t mean the others do, too. They register it’s ok with you, but that’s about it. You need to make it crystal clear that the dungeon is to be finished, timed or not.

I’d suggest explicitly asking all others, and whoever doesn’t respond favorably, just replace them. Putting “weekly, no leaver”, or “possibly untimed, finishing anyway” in the title or the description (and then asking them if they read it once joined) helps too.

Did any of them respond to you saying its ok if you don’t time it?

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They should make it so you can replace that player with another and continue the run. It is realy making me mad when someone leaves. I never do that unless someone leaves first as then it does not matter. You can not replace player, you are basicaly done.

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Keys should just never de-level upon depletion. Reset dungeon and go again at whatever difficulty you want (or have qualified for).

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did you write " for weekly not in time " in group description ?

or you were just hoping that people will finish it regardless

its natural consequence of toxic io addon - people want only finished in time runs to get their scores up.

blame blizzard for not banning this toxic addon

it will get only worse when buil-in toxic blizzard io will put in another layer to this - more and more people will start leaving when not timed.

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If you wipe on a second boss in +12, something is not right.

And how is that a tank’s fault you die on boss?

That guy just realized the group was horrible. If you can’t handle second boss, you will 100% die on next bosses.

Sometimes m+ is not worth your time when the group doesn’t have any idea what is going on. I don’t blame him.

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I think they should also punish failers, if you fail simple HC mechanics ect, bam, 6 to 10 weeks ban from M+.

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i think they should - although you should keep the same dungeon key, drop it down 1 level and try again - easy cheese for that is to start M+ if you cant handle it then go out and reset

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Isn’t that just the way it works now - except maybe with a more elegant UI? I don’t mind so much the randomness of what key you get but I do mind that if I’m good enough for a key level 17 because I pushed my way to it, then why should my key de-level? It means I have no proper way of practicing that key because it will de-level to a point where I don’t learn anything new.

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If you’re ‘good enough’, you should be able to easily push your way to that level again. I’m pretty sure it’s done the way it is so that people can’t just abandon the key at the first small mistake, kick the person they deem to be the guilty party and try again with a ‘better’ group. The pug community is toxic enough without adding another incentive for toxicity.

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That’s a very baseless assumption you make there. You could just as easily flip it and say that most of the PuG toxicity stems from the fact people are frustrated when their key de-levels and they have to push it back up.

And yes, my point wasn’t that I couldn’t push it back up, my point is that “why should I have to push it back up?”

The key de-levels because of some crazy thought that there should be some risk involved to make up for the ‘reward’. We all know there’s no reward from m+ for people who run it and people who run high keys do it for fun. Well it is fun playing on Tournament Realm where keys don’t de-level, so why not have the same system here?

I would still want to push higher, but it’s really boring and frustrating to miss the timer because a higher key level requires a new route or strategy or kick-order - and thus new healing strat, etc. - and then have the key drop down to a level where you get nothing out of practicing your new strat.

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You do make a good point, but at the same time if my team wipes 3 times in a row because none of the dps can skip 1 mob ( for example we wiped 3 times before 1st boss cuz 2 dps kept pulling the one ad we usally skip ) Then im gonna leave

I came for a run, not to drag people who have gotten their key b00sted to this point and just expect not to do the bare minimum to pass a key

( This was a +12 btw and the leader was one who didnt know how to skip and he was a freaking mage, just invis reeee )

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You could, I guess, if it weren’t for similar levels of toxicity existing in the pug raiding environment, and in LFG, and in LFR, where the cost of a wipe is exactly as you describe - an opportunity to try again.

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Will also give us the abilities to try out new stuffs and strats. Its no like we all have access to tournament realms(then again most of us have a aoe cap :face_vomiting: :face_vomiting: :face_vomiting: :face_vomiting: :face_vomiting:). Of there are drawbacks, like key holder leaving right before last boss at he/she isnt gonna be a +2-3.

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cant wipe on thet if u want time key it 12 i would like tink ez time it even if u wipe on 1 boss but top sort timer so i would left aswell no point if u there score