A reflection

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A couple of days ago I’ve watched this video of a streamer while I was minding my own business, and I think I realised he said what I’ve been thinking as well for a while:

I’m not having fun in WoW. It all boils down to this, but I really can’t find any motivation to do the things the game suggests me to do. It began this season when I had to create a new toon on Horde side to play with my friends, and I thought about all the things I would have to do in order just to play with them, and soon I just closed the game and went playing something else.

Then I thought “why should I even try and get new equipments, a new legendary, even if I just play my old toon? It will be useless in a few months”.

Then I remembered what a let down was the moment when last season I finally had 3 good raid armours with sockets to place my shards into and get that huge bonus in sanctum of domination, only to know a couple of weeks after that said setup would be totally useless in the next patch. And I was like ok that wasn’t a good system to begin with but man, I just obtained everything! This feature won’t even last this whole expansion, why should I even care about the new system in next patch? The moment I will obtain it it will be useless, considered how slow I am.

I also got into raiding, and I was quite good at it for a while (at least for my guild, I’m by no means no pro player), but then my guild disbanded at the end of last season and I really can’t get myself to start all over again (it would be the third time), get to know new people and learn how they play and smash my head on the keyboard for months in order to get heroic raiding done. Let alone getting the equipment, I really don’t feel like doing that useless hamsterwheel again, considered how slow I am I rather just wait for the catch-up gear next patch, I can’t find any good reason why I should stress myself to get the tier set.

So that’s how it feels to me as of now, it’s just stressful. I tried to think about when I had fun in wow, and it was when I did stupid things with engineering, combining the gnomish gravity well in bfa with the goblin glider when flight was yet to be unlocked, discovering some hidden and interesting places. I had fun running visions to get the awesome backpack (and it was fun because I had this goal of the backpack and everyday I was one step closer). I had fun exploring Kul Tiras, I had fun playing through suramar and exploring the city.

I had fun doing the hunt for the lucid nightmare and drawing a map of the labyrinth (in fact I’ve done that I think 3-4 times on different chars).

In shadowlands the only interesting zone for me is Tazavesh, but it’s a dungeon and I can’t travel around easily. However I did some stupid engineering tests in there so I had my share of laughs, I’ll admit. The gnomish gravity well won’t work anywhere so I can’t go bananas like in bfa with engineering. And I sure as hell don’t like covenants jazz and doing torghast… I thought I’d like it since it could be random, but it turns out to be just boring.

So these last weeks I just log into wow, get a look around, then close it and go play something else. I don’t even feel like finishing the story since it’s the only interesting part but it’s rather bland and short…

I’m writing this both hoping that maybe my feedback can be of little help and because I’d like to know what you find fun this expansion, maybe there’s something I’m missing out that could be fun. I really want to play this game, I like it and I follow it since I was a kid, but it feels like I have to trick myself into thinking that what I do is fun, but I know it’s not for me.

One last note: I started thinking these things when I began falling asleep during raids and dungeons, this is not a joke, I really do for like 10-20 seconds every 5 minutes. It’s the very first game that makes me fall asleep while playing it.

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Mounts (and diamonds) are forever.

Other then that, its a MMORPG, what do you expect?

Grind its at its core.

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In 9.2.5 you’ll be able to do some content with friends regardless of faction, like raids, m plus etc.

But as you say, you’re just not enjoying yourself and this may not be something that interests you. There are an awful lot of hoops to jump through for any alt, regardless of faction. It puts many off.

It may be time to take a break. There is nothing wrong with going off and finding other games you do enjoy. Try different genres or another MMO. Just find something you enjoy spending your time in. If you ever find yourself hankering for WoW you can try it again.

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Sadly wow has the least grind out of all mmos rn :upside_down_face:

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You’re right but I know that, I guess what I’m trying to say is that the same things were fun before (and by before I mean some expansions ago), but now no longer.

And I guess that what puny says it’s right, I know I will take a break as I am already honestly, but the problem is that I don’t think I’m burnt out, I really don’t like these features as they are now. They’d have to change quite a bit to get interesting again I’m afraid

Still, I want to keep being part of the game since I like, or liked it very much

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That’s the world of warcraft that you play :musical_note:
One of the main reasons I dislike the seasonal systems, I was happy when for SL they said ‘yeah covenants are a lot because we decided to give you all the systems at the start’ but then they still went ahead and made more systems
Its like they can’t help themselves
Even without a system this seasonal gameplay means that every major patch is paired with a soft reset of your character power, it just feels bad.

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Okay OP so essentially you have realised what I have been saying in every post? Well done! One step closer to becoming self aware instead of a remaining a sheep.

This is the truth about the World of Warcraft
WoW was only big back in the day because of lack of social media. Back in the day there were 15 year old girls left and right adding everyone they could find to their friend list. WoW was their social media and girls love attention. They would do only casual content with their WoW followers. These girls still exist and their attention craving as well but now they either go on social media and if they do play games they go on VRChat. Nobody is lured to WoW anymore for the social aspect. 90% of the players back in TBC and Vanilla had a sob story about their horrible life because those are the kinds of people that got into WoW and then got hooked but the primary reason for them getting into the game was to find other people so they wiould feel less alone. That was a long time ago and all those kids have grown up, gotten married and have had children but most importantly they have jobs now that give them a sense of achievement in their life. So what do we have left? The people that are still playing WoW today from back then are the rejects and failures that did not get a satisfying job or were unable to start a healthy family. Most people on WoW today are around 30 and undesirable. This is heavily reflected in the way WoW players behave. Why do you think do WoW players talk so much about “BIG D” players? Why do you think do they often use having a girlfriend as a flex? Because those are all aspirations they wish they had but they don’t, similar to how ghetto people talk about “ice” (diamonds) as a way to flex because they don’t have those things. This is also why the most hardcore players talk like thugs and gangstas on the internet even though in the real world they are absolute pushovers. People who are truly successful in life and desirable do not act like this whatsoever. People who are really “tough” do not go to people on the internet and write “ooh I would say this and that to you but I won’t because I won’t give you the satisfaction of me being banned ooh but if I met you irl I would do this and that!”. That’s how failures speak behind a screen.
There are 2 kinds of players in WoW and both only play to achieve a sense of achievement.
People who farm raid achievement because getting CE makes them feel like they are not complete failures. My guild disbanded back in June and half the guild quit and the other half did not. The people who quit were the people who had good lives. The raid leader who was a manager, the guy who was moving to Canada to study medicine or the guy who was moving elsewhere to pursue his culinary training. The people who stayed are people who were unemployed. If you think I am wrong then I welcome you to log on World of Warcraft and go talk to people and find out what their life is like.
People who farm pets and mounts because making that % a little higher honestly makes them feel like their life is not a waste. This is also why every single content patch we get these 2 things. A raid/key season and a daily hub with reps/mounts/pets. Because these two things are the only thing necessary to keep those 2 kinds of players hooked.

WoW is NOT a fun game or even designed to be fun. Every single step of the deisgn process in WoW is to somehow give you a sense of achievement because the WoW devs know everything I have just said to you and they know that they need to feed your brain these chemicals to keep you playing. If they removed the vault for example half the PvE players would leave because they no longer can look forward to Wednesdays for that influx of happy chemicals when they get an upgrade. Most people in WoW today are way too stupid to understand that the servers will be gone in a few years and every mount and pet and CE achievement they farmed will be gone. They will not be receiving a certificate in the post to hang on the wall. This is why you should be waking up every single day and doing what you find fun, not what makes you feel rewarded like pushing your rio score up but ACTUAL fun. Something like playing through the amazing story of Nier Automata or crying to the story of FFXIV. Do not look for games to invest your life in. Do not write off Lost Ark because it is “P2W” and it is going to die tomorrow. Play what is fun TODAY, not what you think you can spend the next 15 years on playing because accumulating achievement points over time will make you feel less worthless. And if WoW is the only game you play and you cannot get yourself to play anything else then just quit gaming.

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I can understand some of where you are coming from. Warcraft has been my main game for years but this season I’m really disliking more than I’m loving. The announcement for their S4 experiment to recycle old content outside if a TW concept has me wanting to unsub.

I am enjoying the raiding and playing with friend but wow has lost a lot of it’s shine atm. Blizz have done things and carry on doing things that annoy me atm. I’ve found myself being incredibly negative and that’s not a good sign. A friend regularly sends me this gif telling me she’s feeding me positivity. It makes me smile every time.

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What grind is there in WoW besides logging in everyday to do a little daily quest?

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Seasonal gameplay is OK but wow is doing that completely WRONG
seasons were here since wotlk…
but it was always ok because the GEAR aquisition was always FASTER
the seasonal gameplay is problem only in shadowlands and only because the loot was changed to this horrendous thing called VAULT and low drop chance in dungeons.

This is not how you do Seasonal game where you progress gear
if your season is like 5-6 month and half of that time you just trying to get a weapon or TRINKET…in my opinion that is a trash design

One of the reason i liked BFA more then shadowlands even tho both of them are trash in their OWN way
the reason was there was a LOT of loot everywhere
and even corruption system in last patch was more FUN then anything in shadowlands
and i dislike these kinds of system but i had much more fun doing corruption proc grind in dungeons then i have right now doing for ruby or Mists trinket.

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Congratulations, you woke up from The Matrix and are now in the real world. We welcome you. You’ll find real life carries a lot of more risk – but also much bigger rewards – than any game.

To make this a little more serious comment: don’t force yourself to game. Don’t force yourself into anything unless your livelihood depends on it (and even there you can change professions or companies for better experience).

Life is mostly about finding, maintaining and optimizing happiness.

I’ve returned to WoW after at least ~7 years of actively playing (but I did play for 2-3 months here in there during MoP, WoD and Legion) and made an honest effort to level all classes and just buy some green ilvl 229 gear at 60 and do some 5-mans but man, there’s SO MANY SYSTEMS in this game, it’s overwhelming. I am a programmer, quite senior too (with 20 years of experience) and I can make a lot of magic happen… and I find WoW off-puttingly complex. I’ll very likely leave again soon, probably never to return.

To put things in perspective, real life is much easier than games in many regards. There’s almost no systems to make sure you’re on the same level as everyone else (well, there are some of them but you’d need to start pushing for a multi-millionaire before you hit your head on that particular brick wall – so 99.9% of all folks will never experience it). It’s a free-for-all game, PvP is always enabled but rarely utilized, and the PvE has infinite possibilities.

Enjoy it. It’s hard, interesting, immersive, and will make you both cry and laugh, and you’ll make tons of eternal memories.

See you out there!

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I’m the same OP. I stopped running on the gear treadmill after MoP. As Zyipp said, mounts (collectibles) are more my way now, and the casual BGs.

I don’t fancy tryharding to get top end gear or strive for that 0.5% extra DPS difference gear because the game makes it useless in the following patch. If something gives a nice cosmetic, I’ll try to get it if I want it bad enough, but gear, player power/borrowed power/ilevel/tier sets etc I cba for anymore.

Idk about anyone else, but I enjoyed tier sets more because classes got unique looking sets. NOT because of the set bonuses.

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I think 1-50 is kinda fun. The 1-10 zone gets a bit tedious but it’s fast enough and it gets kinda exciting with all these fun dungeons to do 10-50, and usually people are vibing so nice it’s like a nice little get together with people enjoying the gameplay.

And then the dreadful 45-50 where it’s about to come to an end. 50+ and you’re in “Shadowlands” the place where the dungeons are few, the questing is less and the experience is slower. You’ll grind and grind one level at a time to finally reach max level. You’ll think - what next? Oh I’ll run around farming cosmic dust for a little bit, but omg I’m a pro with flying mount I’ll easily farm these “special” loot chests to get INSTANT 2x291 legendaries I bought with my wow token gold, yey.

Now the fun part begins, I’m a pvper. I’ll farm some battlegrounds for honor, I’ll be farmed in bgs for hours and hours… knowing that in the end I will farm for hours and hours.

I’ll make a group in the rated arena 2v2 section, “Lf healer - 0 cr” I’ll wait for 1 hour and then I’ll “lf anyone” and I’ll get my CR up to a respectable 1400 rating where healers will want to join me on my adventures.

Eventually I’ll get even higher rating but then I realize I need to wait for the patch cycle to end and loot to be unlocked/released from the weekly bingo vault rotation.

Eventually I’ll finally be at bis gear and I don’t even want to play the game because I hate people and I have no friends that think I’m good enough to play with except for Arthur my almost R1 exp enchantment shaman friend who claps for me and calls me a noob whilst still wanting my amazingness on his team(shoutout to Arthur, kisses).

And then I’ve realized I just want to level again 1-50 becasue that’s the only place where you can pug and leave and enjoy the company of strangers without the horrible toxicity of the “rated/timeattack” systems of endgame.

There used to be a time where you enjoyed the “World” of Warcraft, you would play and run around doing little things, and then the RIO system came and Blizzard revealed themselves to be ungodly, and then that’s where we are now - with TBC Classic - GDKP run edition, capitalism will reach us at our very core.

The solo queue systems of PVE/PVP will never happen and I don’t know why but it just never will. I sometimes think back on Diablo 3 - Jay Wilson(true hero) edition. Oh what a wonderful time of capitalism that was, but then it all turned into a Competitive/Seasonal fiesta - (I can’t wait to play season 26 of Diablo 3 for a few moments to enjoy before I wish I could delete my paragons and do it again.)

It’s a bit confusing and all but that’s how it’s supposed to be. Good fortune to you all.

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Lol what haha

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Not trying to make fun off you, but did it really took you that long, to realise that everything you have done will be obsolete by the time a new content patch comes around?

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