So is literally any military, guard, etc RP.
Everything ever is open to abuse, paranoia fixes nothing.
100% true to my experience, also tends to be the same people who complain about elitism
So is literally any military, guard, etc RP.
Everything ever is open to abuse, paranoia fixes nothing.
100% true to my experience, also tends to be the same people who complain about elitism
None whatsoever, nor are there any incentives for such to be established. Just another step in sectioning off a wider server into mutually exclusive headcanons.
Constructive criticism always got a place, and should always be taken into account, I just wish people would make it more than just one line. Anything else just comes out as either a childish attempt to take a jab, or to seek a brief moment of attention, which sadly works.
Albrecth appears to be polite in his messages and doesnt strike me as one that seeks to “take control” of things, and honestly even if he tried, I doubt it would become a thing, as people who just do their own thing will keep on doing their own. People and guilds who join this thing are going to be people and guilds already cooperating anyway, or seeks more cross-guild encounters.
Again I wish Albretch goodluck, and I hope it generates more RP in Stormwind, and I hope that many guilds will eventually feel welcome in this project.
One concern I have with this is personal stance of leader(s) influencing who will be “blacklisted”. What if Albrecht or someone else from leadership don´t like GMs of some guilds and will strive to keep them out of this. And what if it spreads to entire guilds?
Imagine that some Sun Hawk was interested in joining some of RP PvP campaigns that PCU does because they found the idea really interesting, only to be told “No, you can´t come, because Perroy doesn´t like Brigante that much and since you are in his guild, you are one of the bad RPers and we don´t want you”.
Another issue comes from headcanon. I have seen Moon Guard being riddiculed here for their server canon and multiple queens/kings of Lordaeron, but these things can often be more subtle and yet just as problematic. We´ve all seen people who RP humans that act as if their allies from the Alliance are some lowlife wretched things that are worse than Horde, even though lorewise, they are really close allies. Issue of big communities is that they are really susceptible to headcanon that slowly but surely becomes obligatory, even to the point where not recognizing headcanon as part of Stormwind´s setting can be seen as bad roleplay.
I am not saying any of these things will happen and I definitely hope they won´t, but there are definitely issues that could arise from initiatives like this one.
We will see what happens when OOC/IC positions or the narrative is threatened. People tend to respond badly on that. It’s always very much “my way or the highway”.
Maybe OP can address these concerns, as I am not the only one putting them down.
Won’t happen. This is bigger than any of us - this is people seeking an improvement in an RP hub that has become stale and of poor quality. If you feel there is exclusion, speak up about it when it happens.
My concern is that I’ve seen these things happen before and it’s one of many ways RP servers starve themselves to death. Nearly every time I bring up the problem of mutually exclusive headcanons it’s just brushed off, though so why even try at this point? I’ve given up on a lot of other fronts as it’s not my job to change people who don’t want to change.
I can only express my concern at what I see as catharsis.
We ARE blacklisted by Perroy and the PCU from joining their events, which is why I didn’t take part in the recent Duskwood pvp with them. But, not every single member of that group of people ignore us totally. Some don’t let their OOC feelings stop some interaction IC and Albrecht is one of those people.
Don’t over-dramatise what might happen until you have given it a chance to get established and settled.
If in three months time everyone is OOC at each other’s throats on the forums and the streets of Stormwind are filled with OOC emotes, then we can all say, “Well, that didn’t work!”
Good luck with the initiative. Anything that gets people rping at least can’t be all bad.
I don’t expect it to come to that, nor do I really even see what you mean — you posted earlier that you would post something properly composed and thought out regarding your criticisms/concerns but you’ve just continued sporadically posting negatively, or echoing others.
Honestly Levey, I can never really understand your unending cynicism and refusal to engage with something you might just enjoy. You haven’t posted anything here but the usual couple of jaded lines, so there’s not a whole lot to argue — I’d invite you to come and get involved, or talk to me in person and bring up what your particular concerns are. Our (rare) private conversations have always seemed more fruitful.
Exactly what I think, thanks.
I’ll see if I can talk with you in person instead. That may be more fruitful than posting quick replies on the forums.
Just thought of this question and I think its an interesting topic:
How will Trade RP fit in this plan, we see parts for every other aspect of Stormwind like faith and milaitary, but as a big fan of Trade RP (As shown by my interest in the Vulpera nomadic trader lifestyle.) I would like to know about any plans on Trade RP.
I’m not really sure — I’ve always thought this kind of RP had the potential to be really cool, but without money having any actual value (and players scarcely even agreeing on how much bread ‘a gold’ will buy) it’s difficult to foresee. I could see a shadier merchant’s company getting involved in smuggling, false licensing, and using their profits to fund whatever side/further whatever agenda they’d like… I don’t know though, I’d be interested to hear thoughts on it.
The Crown Confederacy can fix values and save trade RP
This has always been the #1 killer of trade RP. We just don’t know.
It’s nice to know you’ve thought about it since a lot of people overlook Trade RP, thats why trade RP in SW has mostly become “Can I buy this, Yes you can.” Hopefully things like Haggling and businesses actually act like they have some form of economy can come back, It doesn’t even need set rates, its just needs people to think about it more instead of ask-receive transactions we always seem to get.
I also wouldn´t take ERP guild to my events, so I am team Perroy here.
Good to know.
But I completely disagree about the second part. First, I am not overdramatizing, I have seen people´s OOC dislike get in the way of RP and I also have experience with people making up headcanon and then pushing it on others, as if it was the proper way to RP. These things happen, we shouldn´t hide from the fact and pretend that we are all somehow immune to them.
And I don´t see how voicing my concerns is a bad thing.
It actually could be really cool with a guild thats based on trading/supplying. Having contacts with each guild and their quartermasters, sending supplies as part of RP and whatnot. I could see this project being the best chance to make a fixed value going on.
Would probably require a lot of effort ontop of that but ah well, one can dream!
If you exchange “Trade” for “Merchant” you open up the realms of various service providers - innkeepers, and so forth - which provide a necessary part of a city culture. Traders specifically tend to be the things that come out at markets, but you wouldn’t often find them outside of these things because of the nature of transactions (Someone comes in, buys a thing, and leaves - it’s constant short RP and reliant on people making those trips). Beyond that, it’s a big project because Trade is heavily reliant on having other traders to trade with.
Smugglers work within the context of a criminal group, where you aren’t “Just” providing goods you have all the circus around obtaining them, keeping them from guards, etc.
The reason I wish to do so is because I -am- interested in this project. I just don’t want it to go overboard.
Tbh, It’s just what name happen to have. And that I mean the guild. You’ve done some shady stuff and gets negative attitude from most. But showing that you are willing to leave past behind and turn something else, is good. Don’t just turn what others want you to be whole, leave something that you are already but just change all the bad things from you away.