Abandon instance debuff

[Aspirin-terenas]

okay i think wow need to look at the fact people just kick people for next to nothing in raids or dungeons , so the story is i was playing an alt my death knight (unholy) in this 5 man group and i will say i am total noob with this class getting low dps i am trying to learn the group i was in we had no deaths i wasnt causing any hassle no abuse but just on approach to ;ast boss they kick me … and i get the debuff for abandon my group and cant search for another for 30 mins , now that is what blizzrard need to look at what in the hell is that ? why am i getting this debuff when i was forced out the dungeon. this is lame also be nice if you the one that is kicked can see what the vote was for you 2 be kick, maybe u can work on it next time to not be kicked for the same reason , but should not get the debuff that is wrong …

[Saneko-ragnaros (Saneko)]

@Aspirin-terenas

now that is what blizzrard need to look at what in the hell is that ? why am i getting this debuff when i was forced out the dungeon.

They even adjusted it to be harsher to include first boss leavers earlier in the XPAC.

@Vrakthris

The debuff itself has been part of the system almost since the Vote to Kick system was introduced. It became an unfortunate necessity as certain players would urge the group, by request or by being a nuisance, to vote them out in order to avoid receiving a deserter debuff.

I believe a lot of people understand the frustration with how the system currently works. It isn’t fun being removed from a group and having to sit out for 30 minutes because that also gave you a debuff.

While I cannot speak for the Game Development teams, it is extremely unlikely that the current system would be removed. While you may see the benefits, the system does a great deal to help prevent griefing in groups, so it is functioning the way it needs to. That doesn’t mean there isn’t room for improvement and if you have feedback/suggestions for that, I would encourage posting that and engaging in productive discussions on what you believe would be a better system. I can say with some certainty that the current system isn’t likely to change without something else to go in its place.

@Aspirin-terenas

this is lame also be nice if you the one that is kicked can see what the vote was for you 2 be kick, maybe u can work on it next time to not be kicked for the same reason

Nah you’d only see gibberish usually like “qaweqw” so it won’t be useful feedback in 95% of the cases. The other 4% being insults. The last percent being something like “don’t want them/AFK/etc” which is honestly not good feedback.

If you have a proper suggestion, you may submit it through the ingame feedback box. If it’s a new or better suggestion I may also add it to my list above :>

Proposals so far include but not limited to:

• “Just remove it” The darkest times will come back again
• “Reduced cooldowns stacking upwards” so that if you aren’t kicked often, it starts with a minor debuff.
• “Reduced cooldowns, stacking downwards” so if you’re in a “good” party, then when they surprisepikachu kick you at the end the cooldown is lower.
• “Warning before Debuff” - When you get removed from dungeon you get a Warning but allows you to requeue, if you get kicked again you get debuffed on subsequent leaves.
• “Add reporting for kicking” - This is akin FF where they investigate if someone is really, really using votekick so often and gets reported for it that often as well. WoW used to do this.

[Uda-uldum]

@Aspirin-terenas

okay i think wow need to look at the fact people just kick people for next to nothing in raids or dungeons

Thank the people that begged blizzard to punish leavers.

Now you are stuck with this system. Enjoy.

[Luzy-garrosh]

I would say thank the people that constantly left after boss X and then when they could no longer so that sat around afk to be kicked so they can leave without the debuff

[Zantria-argent-dawn]

@Saneko-ragnaros

They even adjusted it to be harsher to include first boss leavers earlier in the XPAC.

All that for a stupid trinket… that trinket has some kind of curse, it even made people vote for Ara Kara to come back next season.

[Luzy-garrosh]

I think that whole situation showed how screwed the gaming community is.

The people acted like the game was unplayable without the trinket.
If only the high pushers would have done that it might have been acceptable but every pleb acts like they play on eSports lvl

[Beerwolf-sunstrider (Beerwolf)]

Pro wannabes are so often bad players, who are all talk but are beyond crap in practise. Like those “lol it’s only LFR/Normal/HC” then proceeds to die to the most basic mechanics in raids.

[Rombei-nordrassil]

Loot needs overhaul in random heroic just move it all to end of dungeon, the problem is when people need loot only from first boss they tend to leave after, and the people that re join also need loot from first boss, they find out they only get loot if they do the same, eventually more people feel the same making this a bigger problem, while if no one did this no one would have to back fill and first boss would always be available.

Instead of addressing the issue they decided to punish players that never abused this in the first place, and we had multiple patches now meanwhile without them adressing this, all they had to do is make random HC loot appear in a chest just like m+ keystone dungeons and it would be resolved by it self, leavers might still leave but they be punishing them self, oh well guess gonna have to wait 2-3 more expansions till they finally address this.