Why are achievements added retroactivle so wrong? logged in and got a bunch of dungeon/raid achievment but i didnt get others. for example i have never done ZF on this character acording to the achievements but i did hakkar in 2022-09-14 but i did molten core in 2021…?
This is always how achievements worked when they began in the wotlk prepatch in og. You got the achievements on the first date of them working. So if you had the 100k hk achiev, it showed you the date of the prepatch in og wrath. Same thing here.
You can for example going to my profile, achievements tab, pvp achievements and going down to Duel-icious. Date: 15/10/2008 which is the date of the prepatch for og wrath.
That makes sense in OG WOTLK because they couldn’t know beforehand when making Vanilla and TBC that years later they will have achievements. So it makes sense for them to not store data that was not relevant and there were no clues it would be relevant in the future.
But that excuse is not valid in Classic WOTLK. The difference between Classic and Retail is that in Classic they know what is coming in the future.
They know from the first moment they started to develop Classic that there is a thing called Achievements that were introduced in 2008, wich had many chances to be part of Classic in the future. They should have been prepared this time.
So they should have Classic and TBC already prepared using the achievement code to store the data of people completing those achievements in the background.
I could even understand if they didn’t have it in Classic but once TBC was launched it was obvious WOTLK was coming next, so it should have been already prepared.
its actually quite simply. the decision makers back in 2017/2018 working on classic decided to NOT track achievements behind the scenes. had they done so a lot of achies would have been granted automaticly without having an item for it. and with correct dates
It is even worst. They don’t even stick to that decision. It was announced that TBC was tracking some achievements behind the scenes but some others don’t, wich is confusing. In fact, they have used that to create new achievements for TBC Arena Seasons.
Probably realised that people would access the achievements in the API so went for the nuclear option instead of shutting off that part of the API
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A tracking achievent system doesn’t need to be in any API, in fact the process of earning achievement should be made 100% server-wide, even with achievements in the UI, to not allow people to exploit it.
Achievement API in WOTLK and Retail only allows you to query information about your achievements status and receive event notifications when you earn a new achievement, players don’t have and shouldn’t have access to code-related tracking and earning achievements in the data.
It’s just bad. Some Achievements have dates before pre patch because of the turn ins of related quests. And others are not achieved even when you should have them for sure.
For example I had not a single PvP BG achievement and I’ve done the retarded rank 14 grind.
The turn-in quest doesn’t explain dates before pre-patch because as far as I know the server store what quests you have completed, not when. Not even in retail.
Completed is used to earn a retroactive achievement, and in fact, that was one of the few ways it was granted in OG WOTLK, but it can’t explain a date prior to pre-patch (in fact the data should be the first day you log in after pre-patch, not pre-patch itself)
yeah i know why they arent tracked properly but how can it track so that my ZG is 2022 achievment but BWL and molten core 2021? shouldnt they be the same date if its was added when ilogged in today? also half the dunngeons are missing even tho they are done while others are added it just seems really really random.
I suppose Blizzard activate achievement tracking for some raids but not for every raid, maybe they only did it for 40man raids, or maybe they only did it after a given date. We don’t know, they never explain how has been the tracking working before WOTLK.
They should have been able to trace all the achievements during Classic or at least during TBC, but they did a lame half-work.
About why some in dungeons you have the achievement there was an explanation in OG WOTLK. You shouldn’t think about what you did, because for achievements done before WOTLK the expression “I did it” is meaningless because for achievements if there is no tracking the server doesn’t know what you did. What matters is what you can prove that you did with data in Blizzard’s database.
So, how can Blizzard grant you a retroactive achievement if there was no tracking? By looking at any indirect proof in the database that shows that you should have done it. That is the only way it works back in WOTLK. So, it is not random, you have achievements for things you did that can be proven and you don’t have achievements for things you did that can’t be proven.
What proof use Blizzard to prove it? Quest completed and gear. If there are any quests that require killing the final boss of a dungeon/raid that is used as proof to retroactively grant the achievement. If there is any loot in your bags or bank looted from the final boos is also used as proof, but for some reason, that last one is only used for raids, not for dungeons.
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