No, I will leech a friend’s key, I’m not stupid lmao
I would say that even pugs will take you up to m10 without score under the condition that you have decent ilvl.
that just reinforces my point that starting from 2+ on your own is beyond stupid.
Don’t do it then, who or what is forcing you?
I mean, sure, your proposal is technically a solution. However, it’s a solution for such a small almost non existent problem. 
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Change the game! (For something you admit can easily be bypassed with a minimum of effort).
^^ What the person above me said, its a solution looking for a problem. You’ve done 50+ raid bosses on that char, suddenly leeching a key or spending 2.5 hours leveling it is an unacceptable waste of time?
C’mon.
raid boss is not a waste of time cuz u always get useful stuff - crests/ gear/ vault
doing 2+ 5+ 8+ is a total waste of time. of course
And with your priest u can get in a +15 instantly so stop complaining
You get stones 
Normal gives a 454 vault.
A +2 gives a 454 vault.
You also get crests from M+.
Give it a rest.
u get 454+ gear every boss in normal|
u only get vault… from 2+ lol
and 2-5 = useless crests ;p
Drake at least do something lol
that take like 100 minutes anyway, you’ll be good
this community - we want skips and alt friendliness
one guy points out a room to skip things
NO SUFFER FROM THE BOTTOM
KJEK
You also use the example of “muh 470 priest” as a fresh alt when its killed 50 raid bosses and you’re past the lower keys where you would have started.
You can’t even form a coherent case. “Muh time so valuable!” In another thread you’re saying
So consistent.
that’s a good example - which means I don’t need low keys yet the game’s basic suggestion is I’m supposed to push my own key from 2+ - which is stupid.
Well, achievements are achievements. doing pointless M+ runs is… well, more pointless. there is no inconsistency - I just value things in a manner incomprehensible for you, it seems.
wat i want for my alts is teleport from 20 keys make it acount wide pls
It takes 1 hour to go from 2 to 18.
Or you can get into 20 or 19 if youre such a hero and get an 18-19key.
You can buy account bound boxes of 441 upgradable vet gear from the panda lady that changes your keys for 350 flightstones each, you need 1k raider IO to buy them but can open on any level 70 toon, I got a vet rezans gleaming eye from one of them before I realised you had to send the unopened box first
Good way to spend excess stones when your at cap on main chars
well no not exactly.
it will probably take you 7 keys to push a +2 to +18. while low dungeons are fast, they still take time.
The biggest issue is following as I pushed keys as well on alts:
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+2 fill rather okish quickly and you can grab basically anybody to +3 the key. But the tank needs to be not a total potato
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+5 will fill absolutely never. a +5 key is the worst thing you can have. Nobody ever wants to run this. a +8 is super easy and gives hero gear in vault. Nobody wants a +5
and there you will be stuck. If you are a tank or healer you might be lucky to get out of the swamp.
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+8 will fill rather quickly
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+11 will fill quickly and you get some high score people more often than not
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+14 and +16 is often swamp territory again. People do not want to do these keys. The rewards are subpar. I rather run a +11 or a +17
If you are a big fan of alts like me. You try to keep your key at 11 for the most part and run 1 dungeon per week for hero gear vault and keeping your key level.
it is also easier to push your keys to +11 in the early season as people are still running the lowest keys. Now in mid season, nobody wants to run these low keys anyways as everyone is 460+ and think every key is ez mode anyways even though they are total potatoes
Another example as I “geared” my hunter recently:
- I started at ilvl 454 before I actively pushed for more
- I had already an +8 key so I was not that difficult to push it to 11
- by the time I was ilvl 463 i believe, I started to run my own +18 and +20 keys.
After seeing my dmg, I was confident that +20 keys were absolutely fine to do.
The hard part was of course filling my keys as dps player. People saw I had 1k rio with 2.7k alt rio but still nobody applied. I often had to grab the first best healers and tanks for +18s and sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn’t. nevertheless over the course of the week I finished 7 +20 dungeons (my key rolled 4 times to tott…) and everything else on +18
now i am ilvl 470 with 2.2k RIO and still nobody applies for my +20 keys =)
it is indeed not so simple if you want to skip many key levels even though you are 100% confident that you can, others see your ilvl and rio and just say NAH
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If you geared a new alt to 465 without m+, then you had help that can help you with keys also.
New alts have 430-440ilvl from open world, and can get 450+ gear from raid. To get to 465 they need to get boosted in a heroic raid and get full items. In that scenario you can also get a boost for m+ (you not referring to you in particular, but to anyone in that scenario).
Seems fine to me to start with low keys, since new alts have no place near a +18, unless they are getting help from friends (and thus already having a key).
The only frustrating thing form my experience with alts, is the amount of crests needed to upgrade gear. The game showers you with items and sparks, but to use them you have to spam so many alts that it is not worth the time.
<-473 without single dung this season
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