Add catch-up M+ keys for fresh alts

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OK, look - so you have a newish alt - you geared it through various ways (raid/worldcontent/crafting) and you want to start doing M+
Problem?
You have no key.
You can get a 2+ key from the NPC tho.
But you have like 465 ilvl and you don’t need anything like that.
You won’t be invited to groups tho, due to not so great ilvl and no rio on the alt.

You can, however, ask friends for help to skip the low slog and enter higher M+.
After completing this higher M+ you get a higher level key instantly.
So imagine you got dragged through 18+ - you get 17+ key you can “push on your own now”

But if you wanted to do it on your own from the start…
You’d need to run
2+ = end up +3ing =1st run
5+ - you need to +3 = 2nd run
8+ = you need to +3 again = 3rd run
11+ = if you +3 = 4th run
14+ - you are still in wyrm’s level - +2 = 5th run.
Now you are in 16s… after 5 pointless runs.

Even tho you are keystone hero on acc, you got portals in all dungeons, you can’t get a head start on alt without help from friends or buying a boost.

Now the funniest part - if you start 2+ on your own… and then somehow get invited to higher ilvl, your key stays 4/5+… you don’t get a new key for whatever reason.

So if you go head first to a higher key - you get a higher key - but if you are dumb and start lower or accidentally get an NPC 2+ key… you are done XD

I guess it’s not the biggest of deals but I think it’s designed in a pretty stupid way. a new player who never did M+ might need to start from the bottom but experienced players, not quite?
And then you DO have a way to skip starting from the bottom but it’s kinda leechy and silly.

IDK.

EDIT:
Extra thoughts - the game offers a lot of alt-friendly skips.
E.g. you can skip parts of campaign (that grant you some gear in the process - you can hasten it if you did it on main)
You can sometimes unlock something on vendors on main and it’s availble on your alts (see covenants in SL)
You can sometimes get BoA currency tokens to skip certain chores on alts (like Thorgast, “order” resources etc.)
You can, finally, get “free” or “paid” character boosts to get higher lvl and ilvl.
And most importantly - in raiding you are not limited by difficulty - you can head straight for mythic if you like and find group for it. You can even START the raid - in the past you had to clear normal to do heroic, remember?

Yet with M+ keys the system is stupid.

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My first question is actually how you get to 465 on a new alt. I am more like 410 when i get some stuff and a little grinding done. which is totally fine to start on +2 from there.
I just got to 468 on my druid which i have week in week out 3 vault slots from running M+ and my frost DK is on like 453 with 1 or 2 options every week from M+ :grin: And i was already geared on the DK from previous season on ~435.

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My priest Shadella-AzjolNerub is 470 right now without doing a single M+ which can be checked on rio.
It’s incredibly easy. World content gear gives you up to 463. Basic crafted 463 as well - get some champion/heroic raid gear and there you go - ex 465. I can’t understand how people can be so low ilvl in M+ ever. I only did Tindral/Fyrakk on LFR like 2 times before.
You can run normal Amirdrassil with like 450-455 ez - grab some champion gear - suddenly you are way over 460.

Before I did first amirdrassil normal - I bought some green/blue BoEs on AH too… I didn’t play it at all in S2 - so no Aberrus gear on it.

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Which?
I understand you crafted and runned the raid. That explains indeed.

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Superbloom and 5-seed quests give you items that are originally 441 afaik but can be upgraded to 463.

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So now you’ve done 4 or 5 m+, still have no score worth talking of and are one of those badly geared people with an 16-18 key, 470 ilevel listing a key that says “trust me bro”.

Most people won’t.

Meantime you personally have killed 51 raid bosses in various difficulties taking loads of time to do so but investing 2 hours to build up a key and suddenly we need a “catch up” mechanic?

Part of the point of climbing a bit is so you can get used to your character, having ksh on x doesn’t mean you can play y.

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That worked for me yesterday in an 18. I teamed “trust me bro” up with “JuSt InViTe ThE fIrSt PeOpLe WhO aPpLy aNd SeE hOw ThAt GoEs!!!”

The first 4 people were all 3k+ people on alts the same ilvl as me. It was amazing the healer had done a +28 on their main.

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Clearly based on this sample of one it works 100% of the time then.

Can’t argue with rigorous science like this.

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Nah, you can argue with anything.

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Just do those few keys for crying out loud.

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So what was the aCtUaL pOiNt of your post?

You got lucky? Just sharing an anecdote that may be the polar opposite of everyone elses experience?

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It is a pretty crazy piece of good fortune.

It was more that you said 470 was badly geared, isn’t 470 ok for a +16? It only drops 463 gear at the end.

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lol :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes: in 2 weeks I went from 424 (boost) to 480 and 2700 score :sweat_smile::sweat_smile::sweat_smile: it is possible if you grind it (and exploit the community :smirk:)

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That is quite an achievement! :smiley:
My druid got KSM this sunday :muscle:

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Fair enough, they were kinda alluding to new alts though and as a rule of thumb if you see someone with 500 score and a +18 key people will a bit wary of signing up because of the mismatch between key and score.

There isn’t a hard and fast rule, some of those people crush the keys but others its clear its a baddie that is somewhere they shouldn’t be.

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Yeah… those pugs with “3.2k main” keys :sweat_smile::sweat_smile::sweat_smile: I call it BS :sweat_smile::sweat_smile:
I’m now 3.1k with my Aug but if I’d start a healer I’m not going to be as good. I also struggle with the tank because I’m not yet familiar with dungeons defensives moments.

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470 is way more than enough for 16+ dude (and that’s exactly my priest’s ilvl atm) - you are one of those toxic individuals expecting 480 and 3k rio for 16+, huh?
As someone pointed out 16+ drops champion gear at the end so it can’t require more ilvl.

My OP is about wasting time in lower difficulty with no point and rewards and the argument

is utterly idiotic - I had this priest since WoD (when I used a free boost on it) - I’m “used to the character” enough so I don’t have to waste time in 2+ to “get used to”

As usual, you come here grasping at straws to contradict whatever was in OP.

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Judging from your logs you need some practice. I was hard pressed to decide if you bought a raid boost. Sure a +2 might be simple but thats what, 15 minutes? The horror.

And no, you’re just coming up with a bad idea on whatever mildly impacted you that day. “I was mildly inconvenienced, change the game!”

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you need like 6 runs to get into 16+ and higher. 6x 25 mins (add time to make group) - and then it’s stupid waste of time for nothing.
That you can skip by leeching someone’s key

sure, buying raid boost when running with a full raid guild run where my priest is part of the guild. KEK
As for logs - if you are mid geared disc and have 480+ healers in grp you won’t find much chance to do a lot of healing, given how priests work. Meanwhile on my prevoker or holy pala i press 2 buttons to top the group - as disc i have to have PhD to prepare for damage events lol.
The end result of these “bad logs” were ez boss kills. The healer logs are hard to get if you raid with more than 2 healers because you end up having nothing to heal and big logs are done with solo/duo healing.

Also - the game offers ton of “alt skips” - idk why M+ keys are excepted completely? How is this even “Change the game” - rather be consistent with the alt-friendliness.

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Better to condense difficulty like it was in BFA.