So I get that M+ keys should be custom made groups because you can’t replace players that drop-out mid-dungeon. However I can’t for the life of me think of a compelling reason why M0 dungeons couldn’t be queued.
As a tank I feel for the healers who essentially get nothing to do when a raid \ mythic+ geared tank queues for a heroic dungeon to get the weekly quests done. I know a lot of people will try to argue that these players shouldn’t be queuing for heroic dungeons but the reality is they do (I’m one of them) because its convenient. Add M0 as an option to the queues, will fix a lot of the annoyance that people in heroic queue’s get from this problem with little or no effort on the part of the devs.
I’m posting with my main who is a tank but I understand the frustration completely because my alt is a disc priest healer.
I’m not sure. M0 is a stepping stone. And you have weekly lockout. It is also a moment when players are expected to start forming their own groups because mythic are about premades.
So I feel like there is a disconnect between what people think should be happening and what is actually happening.
What people think should be happening: M0 is a proving ground for people that want to do M+
What is actually happening: Heroic is a dumping ground for M+ players who want to get the weekly quests done
Now I get that people will argue, that M+ players should do M+ dungeons with their guild or PUGs etc… but the fact is queuing for a dungeon is too convenient so what you end up with is a lot of overgeared tanks etc… doing Heroic dungeon runs which might be ok for some players but is downright frustrating if you’re a lower geared player who wants a slightly more challenging dungeon than a normal without removing the difficulty completely which I do feel like there is a market for this kind of player.
I don’t get the response that M0 can’t be added to the queue to solve this issue, it will literally go away over night if Blizzard do this. M+ tanks find Heroic dungeons boring but are forced to do them to get weekly quests done. Heroic healers find Heroic dungeons frustrating because they have nothing to do and and are forced to keep up with M+ tanks who are bored and just pull the whole instance for some kind of challenge.
Yes. But m0 has weekly lockout. There will be not enough people for the queue already on Friday. Heroics have a daily lockout and you can do them endlessly through rdf. M0 are not about doing them endlessly. M+ are. And you can do weekly on any m+ difficulty.
Bruh come-on. I’d happily queue for M0s if I could. I’m already doing keys with my guild but just need something I can queue for when there’s nobody around in the guild. Don’t wanna do M+ PUGs because of the toxicity. Therefore I have no choice but to queue for heroic to get the quests done. It sucks for me cause I’m bored, it sucks for the other people in my group cause they’re probably bored as well.
Nooooooooooooooo no no no no chief. I know what are you up to and no. You should form a premade group and go in Brakenhide Hollow mythic and see how Gnoll huntar traps are one-shotting your pathetic 340 geared rogue aaaaaand everyone else in the group should see you are getting one-shotted.
Nooooooooooooooo no no no no chief. I know what are you up to and no. You should form a premade group and go in Brakenhide Hollow mythic and see how Gnoll huntar traps are one-shotting your pathetic 340 geared rogue aaaaaand everyone else in the group should see you are getting one-shotted.
Brakenhide Hollow. Already excited for Season 2.
Why does adding M0 to LFG change this?
Ultimately as people have pointed out the issue is a Blizzard one because there is currently a week long lockout on M0 which would have to be removed to allow people to queue for it.
What you have to ask is - why is there a week long lockout on M0?
Arbitrary limits on people doing things are, well, just arbitrary.
I think it’s purely technical reason. Look at LFR. They have three wings, I.e. separate instances, and boss checklist. Imagine this for 8 instances because they won’t allow endless m0 runs.
They could merge heroic and m0 but it is m0 that gives initial keystone.
I also don’t see an issue in just opening finder tool and choosing an m0 or m+ run according to a desired difficulty.
It is extra work adding separate instances and overloading rdf system with extra queries.
Maybe m0 should be scrapped at all. You go to npc, get a random keystone and off you go.
It’s a bit like LFR vs Normal imo, they are almost effectively the same difficulty but Normal is better as it’s… not queued…
A fren of mine says if one of them should go, it’s Normal.
I’m thinking the same, aside from certain quests, Heroic seems to be a dead zone for me. Normals are for levelling and getting the initial gear, and with that gear (and whatever WQs or profs give), you can beat M0 difficulty with ease, so why bother with Heroic ilvls I wonder so M0 it is for most people, or… rather +2 by now to count for vault.
I also think there’s a bit of a bloat here with heroics and m0 but, perhaps, it is needed for some technical reasons. I found heroics helpful when I was catching up in August but both modes could be merged.
Now it’s just too much competition in lower ilvl range. But I see how blizzard see a progression here.
342 to queue heroic. 359 to queue lfr. Mandatory because of rdf and LFR tuning around a specific ilvl.
350 for m0, 359 m2. Recommended. But I guess you can queue much earlier. Premade.
Basically 2 progression lines. One for raiding crowd. Another for m+ crowd.
Plus it’s technically M1 and the keystone font is present.
And the game needs this, it’s what keeps people queueing for the content. I queue for both Normal and Heroic to get quests done and it means there are more people using the dungeon finder to do that.
However it does depend on what the weekly quests are, many can be completed even in M+
