Add rdf to wotlk

[Jeynar-ashbringer]

He just has the worst friends in the world, any tank friends of mine would happily let me group with them to lower my queue time in RDF and have some fun.

[Muppsy-dragonfang]

@Jeynar-ashbringer

The case that has no data or evidence to support it

The case has plenty of data.
Blizzard has the data.
Based on the data, blizzard decided to remove RDF.

That’s all the evidence you should need.

[Jeynar-ashbringer]

@Elias-drakthul

Peopel use features they dont like just becouse they are efficient.

You know you don’t have to right?

There’s plenty of systems in the game that I don’t use cause I simply don’t want to.

@Muppsy-dragonfang

The case has plenty of data.
Blizzard has the data.
Based on the data, blizzard decided to remove RDF.

That’s all the evidence you should need.

It’s not all the evidence I need though. Especially not from someone who claims RDF ruined the world. Cause there’s plenty evidence that it didn’t, i.e. subscriber counts.

[Muppsy-dragonfang]

@Bulkern-gehennas

Im quite sure that if the majority of the playerbase prefered the interaction over RDF, the replies you qutoed wouldnt be an issue.

Path of least resistance is a slippery slope.

[Miylee-twilights-hammer]

@Laroshan-gehennas

ur saying it urself. holly f… if its convenient why dont you want it?? you people are so… its insane. literally making the game more time wasting for… what??? oh cause it was like that back then?? as if the game will be the same after all those years. you people are bunch of joke.

Retail is full of conveniences, none of which I want in the game.

You’d be better off leaving the arguing to the more intelligent posters of the pro-RDF community.

@Jeynar-ashbringer

Just join a guild.

Still wont work because RDF gives bonus rewards and ignores the one-run-per-day heroic lockout; you’re at a huge disadvantage for not using it. Even if you form the 5man group yourself.

[Jeynar-ashbringer]

Oh the slippery slope argument, yeah, that’s what this needed.

Okay, so what is it you fear adding RDF in the expansion that already had it and was the most popular expansion in the games lifespan will slip down to?

What is your very worst fear of this system being added to the game for WotLK CLassic?

@Miylee-twilights-hammer

Still wont work because RDF gives bonus rewards and ignores the one-run-per-day heroic lockout; you’re at a huge disadvantage for not using it. Even if you form the 5man group yourself.

You could just form the 5 man group and queue RDF.

We’ve been through this before, the only thing you’re “forced” to do with RDF (if it’s implemented exactly as was in WotLK) is get teleported to a dungeon once per day and if that bothers you so much worst case is you leave the instance and fly back.

The goodie bags are purely for lowbies in wrath, it’s not a thing for tanks/healers, that was a Cataclysm change.

[Bulkern-gehennas]

@Muppsy-dragonfang

Path of least resistance is a slippery slope.

I guess people lose what really matters to them pretty fast then.

[Muppsy-dragonfang]

@Bulkern-gehennas

I guess people lose what really matters to them pretty fast then.

Unfortunately. Human psychology is a mess.

[Elias-drakthul]

@Jeynar-ashbringer

You know you don’t have to right?

There’s plenty of systems in the game that I don’t use cause I simply don’t want to.

Yeha i dont have to use them propably as much i can choose to no get paid in my work. Yes ofc i have to use them. It would be completly dumbd to not use them.

[Elias-drakthul]

@Jeynar-ashbringer

Okay, so what is it you fear adding RDF in the expansion that already had it and was the most popular expansion in the games lifespan will slip down to?

RDF was added in ICC patch in the end of expansion cycle and sub number flat lined and went downhill since then.

[Bulkern-gehennas]

@Muppsy-dragonfang

Unfortunately. Human psychology is a mess.

Oh I’m aware, been studying it for a few years now. That’s why I ask/discuss here from time to time, to see the reaction and observe the behavior people have online, truely interesting

[Jeynar-ashbringer]

@Elias-drakthul

Yeha i dont have to use them propably as much i can choose to no get paid in my work.

You know it’s a game right?

@Elias-drakthul

It would be completly dumbd to not use them.

Why? You’re stating over and over you wouldn’t have fun with it. Why is it dumb to do something that purposely isn’t fun for you IN A GAME?

@Elias-drakthul

RDF was added in ICC patch in the end of expansion cycle and sub number flat lined and went downhill since then.

No, it didn’t. It increased and remained stable through to Cataclysm. It didn’t drop till Cataclysm did.

Another anti RDFer linked this chart in another thread and I made some helpful lines on it to prove just this:

https://imgur.com/a/WQJyOFq

Feel free to find your own source, I’ll do the exact same to that one.

What you’re claiming simply isn’t factual. At all.

[Elias-drakthul]

@Jeynar-ashbringer

You know it’s a game right?

You know that human brain doesnt see any difference right?

[Jeynar-ashbringer]

@Elias-drakthul

You know that human brain doesnt see any difference right?

You give yourself way too little credit.

[Elias-drakthul]

@Jeynar-ashbringer

You give yourself way too little credit.

No i dont. I just know how people behave in different type of enviroment. I have discused this with different developers on twitch several times and they all gave same answers. That game is all about path of least resistance and always will be. There is no choice in not using efficient features. Players will always end up using it than get bored and quit or stay playing becouse it cutters to their needs.

Do you really want risk with classic audience rdf? When main eason why players wanted classic in first place is becouse it had no rdf? Becouse these peope wont stick playing woltk. They will quit.

[Jeynar-ashbringer]

@Elias-drakthul

No i dont.

Okay fine, you have the best job in existence if you get dopamine hits from being at work. Ngl, I’m kinda jealous of that.

@Elias-drakthul

Do you really want risk with classic audience rdf?

Are you blind? Removing it is clearly risking the audience too cause people have the expectation that the game will be the same game they played back then, or a chance to play the game we keep saying is the best ever in WoW.

@Elias-drakthul

Becouse these peope wont stick playing woltk. They will quit.

Frankly, I’m not even gonna pretend to care.

[Elias-drakthul]

@Jeynar-ashbringer

Are you blind? Removing it is clearly risking the audience too cause people have the expectation that the game will be the same game they played back then, or a chance to play the game we keep saying is the best ever in WoW.

No players have expectation that it wont be in the game.

[Jeynar-ashbringer]

@Elias-drakthul

No players have expectatin thst it wont be in the game.

Look around? This is clearly not true.

A lot of people off the forums are gonna be in for a rude awakening when they find out it’s not in the game the first time they log in too. They’ve played the previous expansions with all the good and the bad, and suddenly it’s “yeah, we’re changing this”.

It completely wrecks Blizzards own familiarity design pillar.

[Elias-drakthul]

RDF released in ICC patch so you cant have this expectation anyway. And it has been annouced by Blizzard themself. So no you are wrong.

[Jeynar-ashbringer]

@Elias-drakthul

RDF released in ICC patch so you cant have this expectation anyway. And it has been annouced by Blizzard themself. So no you are wrong.

Okay, fine, give us progressive patching then.

And how am I wrong? You’re in the 100th thread on the topic and this is reply #100 in this thread alone. And this is just on the forums.

Try asking ingame if people are prepared for WotLK Classic without RDF.