if any mechanic is countered by a addon is it really interesting they might as well not have made the mechanic in the first place because the addon rendered it void
No mechanics are “countered” by any addons, addons just give you more information.
The player still has to do the mechanic.
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This usually is just about a timer. Knowing when whatever happens. The addon is not playing for you.
if you know exactly when the mechanic will happen that is pretty much a hard counter to it you might as well let the addon play for you because there is no difference the only way a mechanic would be interesting is if you did not know it was coming if anything i feel raids are a bit to scripted it should be more random
When it is random, how would a resto druid or disc priest heal? They have to do their stuff before specific mechanics happen.
In the meantime, a lot of people are with addons still not able to kill any mythic raid boss, so it is not hard countered just by addons. I am one of them who probably ‘never ever’ will be able to kill any mythic raid boss. The game is hard. Nothing gets just countered by an addon.
i’m not saying that random would work i’m simply saying i wish raiding in mmos was less scripted
I love addons so much I made one: https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/toptarget
Yeah I have had moments where I forgot to update DBM in the past, and I just played on experience, sounds, effects, anything.
I wonder how “well” some people would play without their addons.
And that itself is bad game design. The game should be able to stand alone… otherwise they’re just relying on other people to design their games for them.
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Addons are a tool for sure, but some people rely too much on them. It’s almost like the game is being played for them. But no matter what, mythic raid bosses will be hard.
I downed a few in the past, of course just the first 1-3 or something, but still. It requires a lot of communication, but 20 people need perfect execution, or else 
ive been asking for mythic raiding to be heroic raiding but with addons disabled for years. Been asking for a realm where addons are disabled completely.
I believe that addons make people arrogant, unskilled and lazy. Players are too scared to remove them for being exposed as unskilled and no player wants to lose face in the eyes of complete strangers online.
Theyve become too ingrained in wow now, the game is even designed with them in mind so i dont think itd be possible to remove them. Id love wow to go back to not needing them to raid/dungeons but i just dont think its possible now.
Shame really.
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I just dont understand how addons are playing for people. You only get information.
This just might be me 
I suck at this game.
Mooooo 
What I mean is, besides using addons, people can also use their eyes and ears and watch what is happening.
I also play games like Dark Souls, I have no addons there, I watch a boss, watch his movements, listen to certain sounds, observe and respond accordingly. That of course isn’t always the right response, hence you die 
Of course the game is not played for you, but you don’t have to think about things. You see e.g. on your screen boss attack x starts in 10 seconds, everyone should know how to respond. But does everyone recognise the attack? I don’t think everyone does.
So that’s I guess what I meant, if you turn off DBM, some people are completely blind, some people actually are able to continue. Not saying I shine at that, but besides wow, I don’t play any other game with an addon, I just react to what I observe
Well, we kinda need addons with WA’s. How are we able to see runic power of a bdk as a healer? Or the stagger of brewmaster, or the furs of the bear? Or necrotic stacks? It is all about information. I would be blind too without.
I agree, just saying, some people would be able to perform decent without, some completely crap
Before going into cutting out addons, they should work on improving their base game UI, so that the addons aren’t needed/wanted by the playerbase.
P.S. They have a great opportunity for 10.0 to redesign their whole UI… it will make it feel like a different game(without actually being a wow2), hopefully an upgrade.
Unpopular opinion here: WoW would be a better place/game without addons. If it was me there would be no addon support at all in WoW.
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Yeah, without WA’s the game would be close to unplayable. The game is way too hard for playing blind.
I have no problems doing +20 keys without any boss mod, and the only dungeon-related WAs I have are some that turn visual cues into audio ones, because I like that more. Most of my WAs are for ability CDs and procs, which I could equally do with an action bar of sorts, but WAs just look better.
DBM and BigWigs are also completely useless in PvP, and of little value in M+. They are kind of essential for raiding, especially mythic raiding, but that’s a tiny fraction of the player base. A large number of people don’t set foot in anything higher than normal raids, if any raids at all, and bossmods are absolutely not required for that. Do they help? Yes. Mandatory? Nope.
How useful, or how mandatory a particular addon is largely depends on what you do in the game. If you do LFR and random heroics, you don’t need any at all. You can make your life easier if you use some, but you don’t need to use any.
Yet, there are high-end raiders that use the stock raid and unit frames. They may have DBM/BigWigs/WAs on top, but not ElvUI, nor zperl, or voodoo or grid. So those aren’t mandatory, either.
Thing is, the default UI is so bad that playing without addons make you handicapped anyway, because you can’t play well when the default UI doesn’t let you. Last time I checked (but arguably, that was ages ago), you couldn’t even move the player and target frames without an addon, and the position of those is awful for a healer, let alone the party frames.
I respectfully disagree.
Thing is, noone looks at details during the run, unless things go incredibly bad, or you’re in a trivial pull and try to flex for viewers or something. And post-run, you’ll gain more knowledge from analyzing the combat log via warcraftlogs and perhaps wowanalyzer, neither of which depend on any addon.
Details is useful to check some simple numbers here and there: the obvious damage done, healing done stuff, interrupts, avoidable damage taken, explosive handling, etc. But in and of itself, it’s not enough to accurately review one’s performance, warcraftlogs does a much better job at that.
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Well that’s what i was talking about… mythic raiding. :))
I see that it was confusing just saying mythic bosses, i put m+ when talking about mythic dungeons.
I was saying as in preference mandatory… i wouldn’t play wow with the basic UI even if i was paid.
First thing when i installed the PTR client was to migrate my addons since it had none… was like i was thrown 15~ years in the past when i started wow.