Yeah I would agree. However when all can use it, I might as well.
They should remove a ton off allowed add-ons and macro’s to make it easier to get in to.
However I seriously doubt they ever will.
No addons would add randomness in gameplay and extra layer of skill, awareness ext. Basically making more fun pvp. Now its so scripted. Enemy pops burst, you pop def. Ect.
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In a sport, they do as many things as possible to make sure everyone is on an even playing field.
Why? Because we want to find out who is fundamentally the best at the sport.
In WoW, addons create a huge disparity, we’re all playing on uneven footing because of; so who is REALLY the best? We never truly know. That is why it sucks.
The whole point of PVP is competition, and to ultimately find who the better players are, and addons spoil that completely.
I agree that SOME macros are fine tbh, but addons need to go. Everything we need should be in the game itself.
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But its not.
WoWs Addon API is part of its success. I dont want to play with the default UI and use ElvUi instead.
As a software dev in RL i can double dip on WoW as a hobby and would see it as a huge loss if the Addon Api would be removed.
Everyone has access to popular addons. If you need custom stuff it is also possible for a non developer to find the necessary instructions.
Also there is no middle ground. Things which are described as ok are using the same code as things which are described as not ok.
For example the code which displays enemy specs in GladiusEx and code which creates emotes for RP can be used for addons which automatically create a macro to always sap the enemy healer - it will automatically find the enemy specced heal, find the correct /arena id and bind a macro for sap.
Unfair? I duno, you can simply rewrite your sap macro before the gates open, same result.
Do you really need audio queues for enemies popping CDs? You can see it in the default ui, but bad. And you can even use the addons to your advantage. Ppl are triggered by a weakaura and instantly use defs without second thought. Our rogue sometime presses Mark for death without something up, just to bait CDs.
I 100% agree with you. Macro and Addon are cheating. Period.
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I am baffled about that the forum members calling for the removal of addons really think that something would drastically change if addons disappear.
AWC players would still mob the floor with us. I would still be hardstuck 2kish for the next weeks and every one who failed the basic 1.8k achieve would continue to do so.
I also dont understand how it is supposed to be cheating when the very system of the addon API is provided by blizzard as part of the game. The whole thing was literally build for the playerbase to use. Its not something magical that was discovered and is abused, its part of the package. It is continuously developed, documented and updated with every patch, by blizzard itself. Also monitored. Functions which are to powerful are removed or blocked.
The whole default UI is using the very same API, it is nothing more or less than an addon itself …
You are not lowrated or unable to beat a raidboss because of addons.
Edit:
Why stop at the ingame API? Lets close the Web Api, too. Why should you be able to see auctions out of game. Its cheating to view the current top builds on murloc and we should never know which ratings or achievements a player got. The WoW armory is cheating, too.
*Sarcasm off
Disagree. The success of WoW’s PVP is directly connected to the success of it’s PVE.
The carebears kept the game afloat. No, i’m not a PVEer, i hate PVEers, but this lax PVP is born out of PVE carrying the game.
No serious PVP game would accept macros or addons.
Take a fighting game for example, you’re banned if you use macros. If you have any extra buttons. Why? Because it is an advantage.
Nobody is saying play with the default UI, i’m saying make the default UI better, but make sure we all have it by default.
Also, saying that the people who win at the game would still win if addons were taken out, not at all.
You immediatly make the game available to many more players by removing this addon perquisite that has to be met. Why? Because people look at the PVP as it is and think it is a joke. So the real PVPers, the best PVPers (let’s be honest) don’t even play this game’s PVP.
So we all watch a youtube video “wat r da best addon 4 pvp”, then we spend time messing around with the addons, getting used to them, tweaking our UI… All that nonsense before you can really play the game “properly” (it isn’t playing it properly because it is essentially cheating, but anyway.). Who on earth wants to do that just to play the game at their best?
Some nerd may just have a slightly better addon that you don’t know about, so then you have to keep in tune with the addon scene and constantly be aware of the latest stuff. It is all just so… Unnecessary and tedious, and it serves to imbalance the platform we all play from. All this outside of the game nonsense. It is unnecessary complexity, and people just look at it and go “I don’t want to deal with that”, then they go play guild wars or FF14 or whatever.
It is fake PVP. No real self respecting PVPer takes this game’s PVP seriously in it’s current state.
Too much complexity = stress. Too much simplicity = boredom. Somewhere inbetween = interest/excitement.
Right now? There is too much unnecessary complexity. It isn’t a selling point to new players or even current players. It is just unnecessary chaff that could be cut from the game. It is also a contaminant when trying to determine who the real best players are. Overall it is just bad design.
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I don’t think the add-ons are the problem, well they are… Just not for the reason most believe they are.
Those addons already exist here any many years. For reference, WA and Gladiatorlossa ( voice warning) are in the game at least 12 years. I do remember addons for tracking enemy CDs in WotLK ( and i was upset about them ).
Problem is that back there you didn’t have so much overloaded characters/specs …
They didn’t have that many skills that need tracking and because they were not as many skill effects you could understand what the opponent does.
Now those addons are powerful…because it’s just too much.
Also, think of it like this… people try to combat blizzards complexity and failure with addons, then blizzard takes that on account and tries to make the situation even worse .
And …yes, they do it for PvE , but it affects PvP heavily at this point.
Try the same addons in DF, Cata, SoD ( classic with more buttons, compare it with TBC) and pure Classic.
See where you actually need them and where you actually bring them for aesthetics/ fun…
Also , yes…many new people won’t pick WoW and addons play big part on this. And as we know there are a lot more advanced add-ons that , there are videos on them… Imagine the opinion of WoW when they see those.
funfact, they made pve for average players also worse because of these kind of changes
the addon situation is the best example how out of touch blizzard really is
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