Delete heroic vault from delves
Blizzard chose this though. There is no way such a company didn’t see this coming.
Unless they believed all the people who said stuff like “It’s not about the loot.”
If Blizzard put a Vault track that involves stealing from old ladies in hospital, tons of people here would do it.
blizzard is not some hive mind collective
you have devs scared for their jobs positions and who “had to” make dvelves success
so they did it - by shovering players with loot.
do you think they cared they are destroying other modes of game ? in most corporations its every team for themsleves.
watch Bellular vidoes recently on the canceled blizzard projects - when you listen to this many peopel can relate easily to the stuff that it happens in their corporate enviroments too.
I don’t disagree that it is every department for themselves. I’ve worked at corporations. The only reason people pull a knife out of your back is to stick it in someone else’s back.
If what you say is true then Delve devs have the most pull in the company as the higher ups chose to listen to them.
The higher ups will think “Darn, these Delve devs know what’s up!” then get more ideas from them, likely “Better loot”
Blizzard logic:
"Boss is too hard, players are struggling, let’s nerf him a bit@
Also Blizzard logic:
“Boss is too easy, let’s massively nerf the reward”
Just make the boss a bit harder? So it doesn’t just take 2 minutes of elementary mechanics on a loop to win? Add more “???” difficulty levels?
As far as I understand, delves are meant to be the endgame pillar for solo players, that shouldn’t mean negligibly easy. Players don’t mind working for their rewards, but you’ve taught us to “want rewards” and obliterated most of our sense of intrinsic gameplay fun.
I don’t see anything wrong with this …Is an encounter that you can do in less 2 min …so spending 20 min for full slot/delve is obviously dum**.
While ppl need to finish 8x mythic 8-9 in xx hours for the same result/benefits. same with ppl on hc guilds.
Despite that the gear from delves are inferior to Hc/Mythic+ (like Trinket~weapons and some specific items ) They still count as being powerful due the same ilvl.
So having a 3x Vault for 616 ilvl item in less than 20 min is not acceptable .
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ok full disclosure
i’m ilvl 606 now, cleared Zek’vir ? but haven’t unlocked ?? as i’ve not gone past a T8 delve, as i have no reason to. bountiful rewards are capped at T8 and non bountiful are capped at T3 554.
i’m an old raid leader, TBC/WotLK/Cata/MoP - quit draenor - came back for legion and did LFR - quit during BFA, had a kid, skipped shadowlands and 99% of dragonflight, came back just before TWW pre-patch.
i love delves, they’ve been great for personal progress and i’ve run them all solo.
i dont do M+ as the timer could be easily interrupted by RL parenting responsibilities.
i can’t raid, as i usually only log on after 10pm (11pm server time), so finding a raid guild is darn near impossible and by the time I’d organised a pug, it’d be bedtime.
LFR is an option, but i’ve out-geared it through bountiful delves anyway.
as such, delves ARE my end game.
i’m more than happy to go gather my 4 keys each week from weekly quests, run them, get the radiant shards or whatever they’re called and do the radiant echoes thing to hopefully get a few more keys for bountifuls. (in general, that means about 1 or 2 more keys a week - so max 6)
i’m now at a point where the only gear i can get is from the vault, or bountiful delves, which then needs upgrading.
i’m fine with removing the repeatability of Zek’vir counting towards the vault, but it should count the first time each week - as excuse me if i’ve got this wrong, but he doesn’t come up as a bountiful delve.
if the default ilvl from a T8 was was equivalent to say a T5 bountiful (584 veteran 1/8) , then I’d be a lot more likely to invest the time and effort to clear them. as currently, 554 gear is not a reward worth the effort, other than the 1 vault slot it unlocks. but 4x T8’s for 1x616 vault slot just isn’t worth the time investment.
honestly, I’d say delves need a bit of a harder sell in the loot department for T9, T10 and T11 difficulties.
T9 default 590 vet 3/8 - bountiful 606 champ 4/8
T10 default 593 vet 4/8 - bountiful 609 champ 5/8
T11 default 596 vet 5/8 - bountiful 612 champ 6/8 (or even hero 1/8, but not looking to rock the boat)
IMO the default ilvl reward of non-bountiful delves needs to be worth the effort of running them without a key. otherwise that’s a vault slot i just wont bother with, I’d rather go level/gear an alt and live with only 2x 616 vault slots per week.
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That was not my experience at all. I think delves are much better content than Torghast ever was.
Like I said: Agree to disagree.
No.
I figure being efficient is fun for some, though I believe Blizzard would like to have you invest a bit more time for your vault unlocks here.
Hence this change and the upcoming one where Timewalking dungeons will be adjusted upwards to the current expansion, and not having the characters scaled down.
do you think that higher ups care ?
mate the higher yu are the less you care about details - because you have other peopel below you responsibel and taking possible blame for those details.
all that matters for them is MAU meters and income form subs/ in game shope.
torghast was depressing and not fun. and forced. and useless. But i guess is subjective.
they gotta get their engagement metrics somehow
I don’t feel like you’re qualified to make that statement. I’ve checked your achievements and you’ve barely completed anything in Torghast and you’ve not completed above an 8 in Delves.
I completed all Torghast achievements and almost all collectables, it took me an entire expansion, I have done the same for Delves aside from maxing brann and the bountiful chest count, all achievements and feats of strength. So I can say that with not an opinion but a fact, every Torghast run was different, there were countless collectables to find unlike in Delves where aside from Zekvir spawn rare drops I have everything already.
Delves are barren and empty, devoid of anything, Torghast was full of secrets and rewards. Torghast offered more variety of gameplay, more challenge, more rewards, more fun.
But why? Zekvir’s Lair was a short delve that made it easy to hit 8 weekly Delves and REWARDED NO UNDERCOIN AND NO BRANN XP.
That’s the trade-off for being so short. Why eliminate it entirely? It had a purpose. Now it has none.
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I agree they only care about player activity and money.
Yet look at how many Delves the two of us are doing. We alone have probably ensured the job security of all the Delve Devs.
i beg your pardon. but do you really think to decide who is in charge to decide where some has fun? YOU?
i reached 9 in delves and barely played torghast and i NEVER ever think to go back to torghast to do the achievements i miss.
So in my opinion (im not talkin for tah cuz hes able to reply to you very well) torghast is horrible and you with your shiny achievements arent entitled at all to dispute this.
Then don’t do them… this change makes sense as he is an optional boss…
You can’t read, obviously.
Delves are not for M+ players nor raiders… so again its just mid players trying to get gear to out gear “their” content 
It been the WoW way for years lol.
If you wanted vault gear why not just run M+?
do you guys not have phones?