And that is good
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If you ever read any of the other threads here about the subject, you would find out that I would actually be fine GDKPs if there were no bots and RMT involved. In its core, its a great loot system.
However, as you likely have also noticed, Blizzard seemingly doesn’t care enough to ban bots (or gold buyers) properly. This incentivizes further RMT and makes GDKPs effectively a money laundering machine which devalues all of the gold people farm legitimately by hand while inflating the economy. I find this as a huge issue for the game economy, and for the GDKPs as well, since the most beneficial way to run them is to just swipe your gold rather than farm it as those hours are simply not effective any longer. The demand for gold buying has never been as high as what it is now due to GDKP, and this obviously brings us more bots to meet the increased demand.
In conclusion, since it is seemingly impossible to ever have GDKPs with no RMT involved, I am against them in their current state. Think what you will about my “dog poop” of a take on GDKPs, but it is what it is. If Blizzard would fix the RMT/bot situation (they won’t) then feel free to bring on all the GDKPs in the world, I’m totally fine with that.
TLDR:
Bots & RMT properly taken care of → GDKP good
Bots & RMT not properly taken care of → GDKP bad
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Congrats, and “Dad guild”!? I don’t know about that, a lot of “Dad guilds” can’t get past Brutalus 
But it IS a problem when you really think about it.
It might not be a problem for you personally, but players who want to compete/gear up and parse high, see other players getting the best gear from GDKP runs and so they’ll immediately either look at ways to make gold (and see that it can be a tedious process) or they’ll just simply buy gold, even if it’s through a WoW token exchange from retail which is still shady as f since WoW tokens cost money and they’re just going through extra steps to “buy gold” for the same goals.
How do you know that PUG raids weren’t intentional? The last time I checked, guilds weren’t the ‘master key’ to raiding, you don’t -need- a guild to raid, look at GDKP runs. Now, they’re trying because there’s gold to be spent/made, imagine if they put in the same amount of effort and organization without the gold involved?
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I agree. But just banning GDKP isn’t a fix either; I’ll explain in my response to Urn:
Dad guild, not bad guild. We only raid twice a week so we try to make the most of it; and most of us are veterans that have wasted way too many years of our lives on this game.
The original idea was for friends to band together to clear bosses, rather than randoms that have never met. That was decades ago.
Pugging itself has only been popular since WoTLK. Original TBC and original Vanilla didn’t have many pugs at all; when people find a paradigm that works for their needs, that paradigm becomes popular.
Anyway: on to why banning GDKP is bad:
First and foremost: How exactly would Blizzard even ban it? They could take the deathrolling approach wherein they ban people from advertising; but they can’t ban people from doing. If advertisement is banned, then chat channels becomes less active and people make more use of discord instead. GDKP still remains a thing, and when people say “LFM rando-raid join discord for details”, people looking for /roll pugs will have wasted their time just to see another GDKP run.
The only other way was Mr. Brain’s ‘forced personal loot’ idea from retail; which causes way more issues than what it fixes. There’s nothing worse than limitting a players ability to interact with one another. Again, Jagex tried that in Runescape; it was meme worthy.
We have a great tool which is being taken advantage of by people breaking the ToS. Since Blizzard seemingly cannot change this behavior, I don’t see any other option left than to simply take the tool away. As much as it sucks for those who use it legitimately.
But how? That’s a good question. I agree with your views on this situation, it would be really hard to enforce it should they ever decide to actually ban it. In fact it would be much easier to just ban gold buyers and bots, but for some strange reason they do not want to properly act on that front.
Woow nice… You must be so scared right now that they’ll close down GDKP’s so you wont be able to sell your gold anymore…
And before you:
I have never, and never will, touched those pesky groups…
I care. I care about every player Blizzard pushes away from the game. For reasons that ought to be obvious even for you so not gonna explain them for you.
But for those very reasons, you should care. As should we all.
Ahh but you see, here is where you are wrong. If you could get someone from Blizzard with influence to make changes, to listen to you if you explained your opinions on the matter, and he actually agreed with your thoughts and implemented those changes alla around. Would you still never play retail again? In all honestly never ever even try it with all your changes made?
My point is: if everyone just stopped voicing their opinions Blizzard (in this case) would never get any feedback and would most likely derail entire World of warcraft so that no one would want to play it anymore.
Every opinion matters. “Bad” ones just as much as “good” ones.
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Dead game who cares. Too little too late. There have been bots farming essences since release and nothing. Dead game. Can’t clamp down on the cheaters and you don’t really want to as they pay a sub. Dead like Blizzard.
Go and make a new MMORPG instead of the absolute dross you do now.
Whole metas build around people that buy and sell gold. No skill. No new learning. Just re hashed nonsense.
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Yet here you are paying a sub. For what, just so you can spam the forums?
First time I have posted on the forums since original wow fella but thank you for your input
Go home.
I don’t care.
If GDKP groups (a player created and run system) is pushing you away, then stay away. I like when players are able to choose their own loot distribution methods; if you want to stop them from doing that then I have no desire to play with you and I don’t care if you leave over it.
That’ll be the day.
Correct, I would still never play retail again. Why would I? I have Classic, this is the version I want. Why on earth should Blizzard alter retail to suit me when I have a version already suited to me? They’d be altering a game that others enjoy; thus ruining it for them, to appease a player that won’t even play it.
False.
Read the rest of the thread before responding to me next time, please. I’ve just had this discussion with two different people already:
TL:DNR; GDKP isn’t a problem, Blizzard not enforcing their own damn rules and dealing with bots and gold buyers is the problem.
Legit would not surprise me if Blizzard were in on the corruption tbh.
that’s if they follow my suggestion. Not there current plan
Coming Wednesday ?
There is a video on YouTube of a lv70 mage farming first dungeon of wotlk.
So making it apply to grey LV enemies doesn’t work when they are farming npc levels -1-2 their lv
The kiting needs to be needed in dungeons.
This 
I wonder how are you going to do it on mono factional or PvE realm, because only these had left. Looks like Blizzad had prepaired.
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So Blizzard don’t let ruin our game and you want to ruin the game of legit players ?
Good mentality.
Thanks for the anti-boost and anti farm Blizzard.
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I really don’t get why you guys have to do something like this. As others have already said, I agree 100% with reducing the xp gained if the party has a level 70 a 4 level 60 for bosting but I honestly don’t understand why you should nerf the fact that the mage can kite. It is a part of its gameplay isnt it?
Are you really trying to justify this by saying that is a gold-selling problem whenGDKP runs are still 100% fair?
As a frost mage who just wanted to enjoy the game, I’m 100% disappointed with this.
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