On all videos I’ve seen on youtube and wowhead are showing “Warlock DPS” as one of the top 5 dps in pve.
And always is shown as WARLOCK DPS but when it comes to mage,druid etc they always seperate the specs.
Theres nowhere affliction to be found and no1 is talking about how bad the spec is in pvp or pve.
Every1 says how bad frost spec is or some other melee dps , but i am 100% sure that affliction is even worse.
(in PVP)
Priest dots over dps anything that an affliction warlock can do and with 1/4 of the mana
And now even Balance druids Dots are stronger than anything warlock can dot.(dot wise) curse of agony ticks for 30 and ramps up for 60 or smth and corruption hits for 100 , while moonfire on boomie form hits for 160+ the dot tick.(sunfire even stronger)
What the heck is goin on? xD
Do smth about Affliction warlocks dots pls. And dont say w8 for phase 3 where u get UA, where its 1,5sec cast and i dont think will be as strong as void plague. The spec is a meme at this point
0 dmg, 0 instant cc ,1 school of magic ,no immunities .
Locks stuck on this garbonzo meta form spamming 1-2 super weak buttons (incinerate is cool but 2,2sec cast on pvp is a bit harsh).
Buff locks dots as you buffed mana for priests and dots for moonkins.
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Because affliction is not really possible in Classic.
The Destruction tree just hurts too much
this, The runes are just optimal for the talents and no runes are optimal for the aff tree.
Unless we get some insanely busted aff runes and very long execute phase for drain soul I don’t ever see affliction being viable for pve.
Affliction is just a cosmetic build in sod. If you want to play affliction lock you have to make a priest.
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Well i aggree that destro is better but look at shadowpriest and boomie, werent viable at all as dps and now they rocking cause they are tuning sod abilities AND classic abilities like moonfire buff while Boomie form and Shadowpriest Shadowform sustain.
Dunno if Haunt needs like a huge buff , dont like this idea but you have dots that hit from 150-200 dmg on specs that are not dot classes-specs and Affliction the one that is dot spec has 2 and they hit from 30-100 and siphon life taht is a talent hits for 30 or smth.
Dont want more dots but maybe a rune that Alters Agony and corruption for bigger dmg and less cost, who knows.
And also Affliction needs a filler, Drain soul rune is a good idea bigger dmg and maybe an execute would be more than welcome.
Affliction is awaome for questing and leveling but in dungeons or raids thinhs just die to fast.
This days i soec distraction for raids and ehen doing world content i spec back to Affliction.
I realy hope they will buff Affliction we need some sort of rune that amplify dot damage or something that will kill the dots and hit the mob for the dmg of the dots.
It can be any variation as long as the dot damage will come quickly.
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Mostly agree. Hope they give some love to affi in ph3 because my fav. spec is not being viable in burst pvp phase we’re living in.
Affliction will stay crap until lvl 60, at sixty fire is getting even more power “Your Conflagrate ability also grants 30% spellcasting haste for 10 sec.”
we have to test if Unstable Affliction and Corruption DOT being able to crit is enough to make an shadow damage hybrid build where you spam Shadow Bolt after putting up Debuff /Unstable Affliction/Corruption DOTs
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/talent-calc/warlock/4500253012201005–50502051020001_116ya56s866wg76s686s996yca6mk
this is how such a build might look like from today’s perspective
Affliction DOTs alone will never be viable on its own. You could swap some runes and lifesteal instead of nuking Shadow Bolt for better movement in some encounters, but damage will suffer.
edit.- all this is PvE rotation stuff if your concerned with PvP you should know that PvP is the reason why Affliction sucks, SoD Devs aren’t capable of handling Warlocks thats why we are hardacasting Fire Mages with the dumbest rotation in WoW history.
Because nobody in their right mind will spec anything other than destro for group PvE. Later on at 60 things will change as people spec into SM/Ruin, thats technically an affliction spec but in practice its just another destro. Who knows what that might be like with Unstable Affliction
If warlock dots are hitting like a wet lettuce leaf why would them critting change anything about how poor the spec performs lol.
And let’s be real unstable affliction is probablty gonna hit like a noodle as well. It’s such a shame to see but it’s like the developers have put so much power into some runes that they’ve made using existing abilities null and void. What’s the point in casting corruption when it tickles when you could cast incinerate and do sometimes 20x that’s damage In 1 cast in comparison to a single tick.
Like you have to seriously step back and think how much % increase each dot would need to make afflction viable.
CoA and corruption tick once every 3 seconds. So currently it’s doing like 160 damage every 3 seconds. So 40dps.
Why are you even pushing the buttons. You would instantly do better just spamming shadowbolt like warlocks of classic.
Afflction needs making dots do like 10x (as a guess) the current damage to be viable lol.
Just another example of how incredibly underwhelming the development of a spec is in sod.
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Is affliction a great spec in PvE atm? No.
Is affliction viable in PvE atm? Yes.
Being compared to destro locks, my affli lock is averaging 50 parses (around 300 dps per boss). This is more than enough for clearing Gnomeregan. Sometimes, I even out dps destro locks since most people just play what is strong without learning their class. Heck, my greatest parse on menagerie is 93 and that’s without DMF and full consumes/buffs. Healers tend to like me more than destro warlocks as well, since I easily heal up my life tapping with drain life.
TLDR: Affliction warlock is still viable in pve, however, it will never break a world record in dps.
PvP spoiler: it also works in bgs, but is horrible in 1v1 and STV because of 0 burst and lack of instant cast cc.
Affliction dot damage is hardly bad. Corruption tics about as hard as an SW:P with 140sp. Also, you are meant to be casting shadowbolts inbetween your dots. You aren’t supposed to just dot and then jump around doing nothing. Affliction is more of an amplifier to your Sbolting than anything else. That’s why SM/Ruin is the go-to affli spec. It just isn’t fully unlocked without talents like Bane and Ruin.
Is their dot damage overshadowed by the spriest’s void plague and balance druid’s sunfire+moonfire? Yes. You can thank blizzard for overtuning those abilities and slapping on training wheels to those classes, rather than blaming blizzard for not touching affliction. Warlocks are just cucked once again this phase with spell ranks. That is all.
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Sm ruin wasn’t the go to spec though was it. It was ds ruin cos afflic is trash for PvE and basically a waste of mana and debuff slots
If afflction is even close to viable at late game I’ll eat my shoe lol
DS-ruin was the go-to because of limited debuff slots and being unable to put up corruption for nightfall procs. If there was a slot for corruption, from my memory it performed better than DS Ruin. Not to mention SM/Ruin was also viable in PvP, wheras DS/Ruin not so much
No, DS/ruin was always more damage, by a lot. Affliction was always a farming spec.
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Who cares about DS Ruin, that spec has no meaning in SoD, except maybe as a niche tank spec for more aggro.
SoD is not limited by debuff slots either, what limits Affliction damage in PvE however is the fact that CoA shares a slot with three debuffs that are far more valuable.
MS Ruin is the only way to make it work from today’s perspective, and i doubt anything will change even if they buff DoT spells.
Not sure, on trash packs you could corruption off targets where the debuff limit doesnt matter, and if you got nightfall procs you’d deal more damage overall. I’ve also performed better than my DS/Ruin counterparts with a slot open for corruption on boss fights, and even without with equal gear. DS/Ruin is only a 5% dmg increase, and you lose out on imp lifetap. That was in the early days before people got overgeared though ofc, the shorter the fight is the more DS/Ruin pulls ahead. But that said, SM/Ruin is far more versatile because its good in PvP, and at least in my guild, DS/Ruin wasn’t demanded because the difference wasn’t anything to write home about, even without corruption slots. As such most of our locks were SM/Ruin. SM/DS is the farming spec you are thinking about
No serious raiding warlock ever went SM/ruin.
DS/ruin sbolt spam was always by far the most damage, even quite early on when affli “should” have pulled ahead due to low hit/crit%.
Our raid was pretty serious. We had a sweaty loot council I was a part of. My own practice results show otherwise, so I must disagree