I have to spend hours trying to sell items, which is very annoying. too many users are adding and removing items automatically. there should be equality, everyone should use it with their own effort.
If that’s the case, there won’t be that many in and out, and it will also be more stable.
gold dealers, bankers, barons sitting at the head of the AH constantly. They lock the whole system and make it more and more difficult for other players to sell items.
pls blizzard. remove this addons TSM, or other AUTOMATİON addons.
This is where you will get the gold goblins and users of tsm jumping in and say they do have to click buttons.
“I have to click to list an item, I have to click to cancel etc”
What they either fail to acknowledge, or wilfully ignore are that this apparent click has a whole host of clicks and entries essentially macro’d into it.
Once you have set the addon up, it automatically checks the prices, it automatically works out (based on your rules) how much to unndercut by, whether or not to cancel a listing because your undercut, or can make more profit. It can be used to buy everything if desired if the price is below a certain market median value.
So even the median value is worked out by the addon. All you have to do is say If below ‘Market.Value’ buy all. No need to ever adjust the damn thing.
I personally have never had an issue with either banning it, or placing severe restrictions on it, so most of what you can do with it, would essentially now be deemed as breaking the TOS.
Its the same as the auto interupters (Addon that would auto interupt you in pvp). They were about for far too long before anything was ever done.
we can’t really expect these people being objective while they have a conflict of interest, can we? they day a multiboxer use 7 keyboards to move 7 characters with his 2 hands at the same time i will be more than ok with it.
Addons shouldn’t automate the AH but if they disable them they should add buy orders so traders don’t have to camp the AH 24/7.
It would also allow people who just want to sell their stuff instantly to get good prices without playing the 1 silver undercut game for 10 hours.
I will agree that the AH currently with a “Last in first out” setup is moronic. And not to mention it does nothing for the constant undercutting.
With buy orders, do you mean something like in GW2 ? Where you can make a listing “I want to buy x amount of said item, and wiling to pay up to yGold per item”?
It is odd to me that automation in combat, e.g. via keyboard macro, is an instant ban, but automated scanning of the AH is allowed - supposedly because you do have to click buttons, get your mail, etc.
The AH goblins have been a detriment to the game for a long time and disengage other players. Or in my case, just cause me to list BoEs at half the going rate because I don’t want to get undercut by 1 silver a few minutes later.
Yes.
My point is, addons shouldn’t automate trading but (like in other areas) they offer QoL features that make up for the game’s clunkyness.
And people who scream “reee remove addons” are essentially trying to bring everyone down to their unfun level.
Why? If items would always sell in the order in which they’re listed it would remove any semblance of real trading. Constant undercutting is annoying (even if it’s made manually and not by bots) but the alternative is an abomination like the token section in the AH.
With buy orders the undercut game is pushed onto the AH goblins, and people who just want to sell their stuff instantly can do so.
Why would it ?
I would argue that enforcing fixed prices on items would actually remove that. But lets face it, the last in first out model only helps 1 type of people.
Those that can stand at the ah all day long relisting non stop. Those that want to play the game or have stuff to do are then punished by this system.
Okay. and how would your system handle the following orders listed without artificially enforced pricing:
Augment Rune -2100G
Augment Rune -2300G
Augment Rune -30000G
Augment Rune -2000G
It is generally not goblins who undercut by a silver though. Those are players who are trying to cheat the systrm and in the process they do not care if they drive down the prices as a result. These people are usually the “I have to sell it NOW” Jimmies or people who have no idea/do not care about the market value of the items they want to sell.
They are similar to the people who sell materials below vendor price.
If a goblin wants to control the market they buy you out and reset the market to the rates they want to sell stock at. There is little reason for them to force the prices down, and if they want to they do not do it one silver at a time. It would take way too long.
Tbh, sometimes I am that guy. But I will literally sell a BoE for half it’s price, e.g. if others listed it at 200k I’ll price mine at 100k.
Why? Because I do not want to mess around indefinitely trying to sell it vs the other 9 identical items. If there are several, it is clear that most players think the price is a bit steep anyway. Coming down 5% on a 200k item doesn’t make it desirable. Halving the price might - or at least cause a goblin to buy it and re-sell.
My experience has been that if I try to get 200k for it, then it’ll be literal weeks of daily re-listing, during which time the price will get gradually whittled down anyway. I do think a lot of BoE sellers expect too much for their items.
IDK where the 1-silver undercutters come from. Honestly I mostly see them on herbs, which I’ve now given up selling anyway.
That said; I don’t think the game benefits from billionaire goblins flipping BoEs and re-listing at higher prices. BoEs at a million gold don’t serve any purpose, normal players will never interact with that auction, it serves only to fleece whales.
o.O what are you on about ? Who said anything about controlling the price ?
I am on about the last in first out side.
say you have 20,000 herbs listed. 100 people are all selling 100 each (ignore price differences this is all at the same price)
Person A lists theirs first, they sell maybe 5, when Person B lists. Now the system will sell all of Person B’s herbs before Person A sells any more (unless Person A cancels and relists).
Person B manages to sell 20 before Person C lists, but close behind Person C you have D E F and G etc. Now Person G gets to sell all theirs, before F does, and its a long line before A gets to sell. Anyway a little while later there are 100 sellers with their herbs, and in comes person 101 listing their 10,000 herbs.
All of a sudden person 101 needs to sell all of theirs before the one that listed just before them gets to shift any.
What you listed above, is people undercutting and listing at different prices. that will always happen. What I was saying above was that the current set up was implemented and pitched as being a cure, but it didnt, and wasnt.
Not entirely true I wouldnt have said.
While the majority of goblins will simply relist their items at the current value by cancelling and relisting once every 30 seconds - 180 seconds some undercut by a silver at a time.
Likewise I would disagree that people who undercut by 1 silver are people who have no clue. If an item has been at a price for a while you can see now ones being added constantly, and so by making a new price, all those listing that were submitted with split seconds of yours, are not immediately being sold ahead of yours. So sometimes it gives people a few seconds chance of actually selling something.
Goblins only ever buy out the AH if they stand to make enough of a profit on it, or want to artificially overinflate the price of something. Neither of these rarely happen, especially now with cross realm AH.
However, what a lot of goblins do, do, is hang around the AH all day, cancel, list, cancel, list, cancel, list, cancel, list. and so Normal sellers struggle to sell their items, because in the queue of last in first out these people camping will always be ahead.
I have also seen the odd few people camping the AH in Booty Bay for days at a time. Personally I think these were bot accounts using tsm, positioned in such a way they didnt need to move for the mailbox or ah, and as I say I saw them there at 8am,1pm, 4pm, 7pm, 11pm, 2am, 5am, 9am. The exact same name’s.
But anyway, im going down weird avenues of discussion that doesnt further the thread and even takes it away from the main subject matter.