AH Scammers

That’s how Trump got elected: “dumb” people have the right to vote too.

So yeah, they deserved to get scammed.

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It’s not the fact that people get scammed, it is that the people scamming are using some sort of bot/automation.

Unless you have proof of the automation on their end (which will be pretty difficult to prove) that is just pure assumption and speculation.

I have managed to outspeed them on some occassions with just muscle memory with standard blizz ui. The in and out speed of some of the mats are insane of just genuine people buying. The fact that i have managed to scoop up (without automation) some mats that other people have posted, is evidence to suggest it isnt automated.

It still could be, but experience first hand suggests otherwise

For the record, I dont post any item for cheap like these people do, but if i see a bargin, i will snap it up if i can

The trick to out buy them is to not be greedy. If you see a stack of 200 dust at 50% value dont try and buy the 200. Aim for 20-30. That is, if you want to snipe the snipers. Refreshing the listings wont remove the manual quantity you entered so it makes it faster. Just be warned that you may end up buying some at full value doing this.

In other words, if you want to do this, search up a popular crafting regent that theres regular 50% posts on. Type whatever quantity you are willing to buy(eg 20), refresh the listings and the quantity will remain locked but change to the cheapest (e.g.20) of that regent.

how edhgy and funny :wink: hehe…not

no human can do this process so fast and for 24/7. post/buy from others within seconds. you need a bot.

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im all in for listing items BY HAND ONE BY ONE, addons like auctioner or acutionator doing that. they even tell you if something is not right in price

im comming from path of exile community, where trade and haggle is everything

but i want TSM to be banned from WOW it is a cancer to wow retail and people using it are the real scammers .

its not auctioner. i have all ah addons since 2013 its not possible to be on ah 24/7 post/buy/post/buy

SCREENSHOT THE ITEM
WRITE DOWN THE BOT NAME
SEND EMAIL TO HACKS@BLIZZARD.COM
subject: HACKS WOW EU AUCTION HOUSE

This is an annoying thing that some people are doing as you have to expect that this isn’t helping the systems stability, and was probably a major part of the issues we had a month or so back when the AH lagged so hard that it was unusable.

However, I make the assumption that most casual players use Auctionator here, and, as such, would have to be particularly careless to fall for this kind of rip off.

When you use the shopping tab then you are given a specific listing of all instances of the item with varied prices, and you can use the quick refresh button to see them dynamically listing and being sold pretty much. When you have a listing up and click on buy then Auctionator specifically warns you if the price has changed drastically from the current cheapest item shown since you last refreshed. It also does the same when you go to sell and you will be posting it at a very low price compared to the majority of the auctions listed for that item.

If you’re getting caught by not reading these warnings then you are your own worst enemy for not paying attention.

If I’m bored then I’ll often keep rescanning the herbs or ores every few seconds and then deliberately try to keep picking up these half prices items as they often can be in pretty high quantities. I doubt they are even aware that I’m picking up these items between the lister putting them up and the account that buys them up again, but it means you can get some cheap stuff for a little effort.

they need to add cooldown to cancel an auction, especially for materials. This would prevent AH scammers. For e.g. you post ore for 10g. , once posted you can cancel this auction after 1 min.

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The fix is simple like that. And not implemented into the game just because bots and scammers are TA of the game instead of people who just playing.

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I keep my price of items according to market trend . People need to use their mind before putting items on AH

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Well I reported the two players to Blizz and they said what they are doing is fine. Anyone know of a hands-free AH automation tool, please?

Thats what i do to them,when i have spare time i just buy when they cut but thus not letting anyone being scammed but scammers

Even 15 seconds timeout before you can cancel an auction you placed would be enough to drop kick this behaviour to the kerb.

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Seeing lot of players posting like 1 stack of leather for half the gold
Seen a stack for 200 gold and suddenly someone posted one for 20g when i refreshed it it was gone
They trying to bait you in to selling it so cheap so they can buy it

They could also just implement buy orders and it would make this issue go away without completely killing the sense of free market economy.

The assumption that there is some sort of post/cancel automation going on is patently false. A guy 3 doors down finances his sub through nothing but AH flipping 2 hrs /day on weekends. And it´s actually not without significant risk,either…

The single item is posted, and then they go straight to the sell listings and purchase anything that gets posted before it gets bought, rinse and repeat.

For example, you post a weavercloth for 10g, switch to sell listings, and immediately blindly purchase the first 50-100-200-300 items, depending on how many ou expect to be posted in that time. Sometimes you get lucky and everythign you purchased was at your price, sometimes nothing was posted yet and all of it was full price, but your bait auction is still active so you can try again in a few seconds.

This is why it´s almost never happening with rarer, higher price items like say blasphemite, but running roughshod over * and ** mats, as well as why they’re not posted for 1s. It´s all about risk /reward. Losing a single or even 10 weavercloth @10g is a huge net win if you can buy 20-1000 in return that got baited and sell them for 20+, and a miniscule loss if it fails and you buy 50 at market value and resell them at a loss of 4-5 silver /each… but losing 2 blasphemite to buy 5 is not worth the 3-4 digit risk if it falters and you just bought 5 for 300g /each, as well as teh number of items being posting being much, much lower so teh frequency of soring “hits” is much reduced, ans the prices are much more volatile, so each of those 5 is potentially a 50-100g futher loss on top when reselling. :wink:

And, as much as I hate to burst people´s cute little bubbles with objective reality, banning any AH addons or introducting some sort of arbitrary “can´t cancel yet” limit will have almost zero effect on this, and would only serve to further screw over people that still don´t pay attention. Because now they can´t even cancel the 1000 Luredrop they accidentally got baited into posting for 15 g, which they are now forced to accept as a sale price instead of being able to instantly cancel their mistake. And by the time they can cancel it, they WILL be sold, as opposed to now where they might still be able to salvage say 50 % if they react fast enough.

This has been going on for as long as the ah has existed and can be done without addons with close to zero loss in effectiveness… post 1, switch to sell listings, refresh, buy, repeat… it takes longer to say than to actually do, even with the default UI. :beers:

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and thats how dumber leftists lost , talking about political nonsense in wrong places like a forum about gaming issues in a topic about a place that people sell and buy their virtual materials at

now shush and go back to mom’s basement! maybe your imaginary girlfriend pities your angry trunk and comes and helps you shut it down!

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Auctionator has specific prompts to warn you if you do dumb stuff like try and post a lot lower, or buy a lot higher than the general price of an item. It’s people who aren’t using AH add-ons that will generally get caught out with these tricks.

If you were only allowed to post an auction at a max of 1% less than what the current lowest price is then that would stop people trying to do this flipping. Probably anger a lot of regular flippers in doing so, however.

And nobody would be able to use the auction house for the first month of an addon… no because of technical issues, but because nobody is going to buy a single mycobloom for goldcap, but that´s exactly thwhat the first auction will be posted for, and it will take forever (litearlly thousands of auctions) for that to get whittled down to a remotely reasonable reasonable sum… In theory that could happen somewhat quickly, but in practice it will take ages because why steal money from yourself by undercutting the next highest by literally thousands of gold?

It’s an allegory