Yeah I can imagine it to be a real issue, it can already make pretty convincing voices. I mean, there are the videos of AI voiced YouTubers like PewDiePie, it was pretty convincing, idk if I’d realise it is a AI if it wasn’t said in the video, I’m curious how it will be like in 10 years, it already seems to be advancing pretty fast.
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I majored in art / art history so I am just showing the voice behind the quote 
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Yeah and I’m sure Picasso had website-scraping algorithms and computer-generated images in mind when he said that.
Oh wait no he didn’t cause he died 10 years before the internet was invented.
the quote was regarding ethics in art actually
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It’s still not really comparable to the situation at all after reading through the article.
Sturtevant was a controversial figure due to her copying to begin with and her reasonings for it. But even so, there is still a distinct difference between copying someone’s work in that sense. Sitting down and deciding to try and copy a painting by your own hand still takes dedication and talent.
Asking an ai-bot to mash together a picture based on your input and what it can find on the internet does not. It is completely incomparable.
I will be honest, I do not understand the near religious fervor so many seem to have to “protect and defend” ai art bots for some reason?
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It’s going the same route as deepfakes did when they first hit probably. People think its cool at first until creeps began to use it to make fake nudes of women without their consent and now it’s either outright banned or heavily frowned upon in most places.
I’ve heard pretty much every side of the argument. The ethics inherent in learning from a style (and the counter-argument that styles have been emulated and copied throughout history), commercial gain from emulating styles through AI tools, the idea that it is fair if the data-set is gathered from public domain artwork, but not beyond that, and the list goes on.
Personally, I think it’s a very interesting discussion to have, and I’m very curious to see how laws develop down the road, much in the same way as laws were gradually implemented with the development of multimedia platforms on the internet, like Youtube and the myriad of copyright and intellectual property rights inherent in the material published and post there.
But as for actually using AI art? I personally don’t care - I’m not going to use it, because I prefer dealing personally with an artist, but I’m not against others using it.
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Yeah the more different voice lines there are for a person or a character, the more convincing it can pull the AI thing off.
Some of them are mega hilarious and have had me heaving in laughter (some of the dagoth ur memes, “Todd howard on Elder scrolls 6”, Trump, Biden and Obama playing Call of Duty: Modern Warfare or minecraft, etc.
But I do see a lot of danger there too.
I disagree. The crutch is just about time-spent to achieve. If you wanna talk about the human spirit vs robots that’s not for me.
However theft is ever prevalent in the medium and has it’s own sub category as a result. Some say stealing, others say flattery. I am a painter, and there are those I know who lambast online artists ‘cheating’ or ‘stealing’ with photoshop for using machine assisted processes to create art instead of using a brush. Even certain physical tools can get you in hot water.
Court is still determining AI art generators and how they collect / replicate material. It’s hard to prove if visual art is theft.
That’s what gets me too. It’s so strange.
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For the most part it’s just reactionary brainrot as AI-critical artists tend to overlap with, or get lumped in with, other groups of people that reactionaries hate
Some also get legitimately angry that their AI artist LARP is not being taken as seriously as they want; this is where the “artists are gatekeepers” take comes from
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To be fair, when people complain about the use of AI for quick character references and tell people to spend lots of money on commissions instead because “art is a luxury” I can see where the gatekeeping remarks come form…
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Find one you can afford, or simply don’t get art?
It’s not like it’s needed, RP is about using your imagination in the first place.
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It is a luxury, though. ‘Luxury’ doesn’t mean expensive, it just means ‘you do not need this thing to survive’.
Edit: all this discourse is driving home, for me, is the wider societal problem that is thr normalisation of “We want what we want, but we don’t value the people who produce these things, we just want it cheap for our convenience”.
Like the cheapness of All In One supermarkets, that screws providers and screws ‘low skill’ workers, while making CEO fat and rich.
Image/music/voice gen software is in the same boathouse. It will be used to cut costs, screw creatives, and churn out consumer ‘Product’ even more than Ubisofts yearly Formulaic. And people will lap it right up, because of course they bloody will.
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I feel that one of the reasons that people defend the AIart so much is because of the ‘instant gratification’, with some programs able to churn out pictures rapidly, so that they can get ‘what they want now’.
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this threads very topic revolves around gatekeeping art mediums and most are in agreement it should be
it’s not a nice word to use however, so I recommend you say ‘safeguarding’ in the future
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Personally I’m of the mind that if AI art just “magically” created stuff without being fed existing art pieces from unknowing artists - I wouldn’t care. It’s the fact that it uses things that people have made, creations that have meaning and sentiment for the people who made them or who they were made for, just for them to be used for something entirely different because somebody typed in something vaguely similar and pressed a button.
It’s not about gatekeeping - literally nobody can gatekeep the medium of art. If somebody wants to draw anything or photoshop anything then nobody can stop them unless it breaks a law - it’s about the works of others being used unjustly and unknowingly. To me at least.
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I personally think ai art looks better half the time and I can change it as often as I want until I get the result I imagined for my character.
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OP’s post is about whether AI art should be allowed on the Argent Archives, including a very intricate debate on that topic. The vast majority on that poll have voted to say it shouldn’t be allowed. That is gatekeeping by definition of saying who has rights to a community.
It is what it is, no one wants to be called a gatekeeper because it sounds rude but ultimately if that’s what people think needs to be done to preserve something more power to them.
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