And i in turn disagree with you!
Great conversation.
What does AI imagery have to do with someone’s sub?
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To wax philosophical for a moment,
we, as people, all have different skills and different knacks. I could never be a carpenter, a bricklayer, or even an artist. The ability to draw, to put ideas to paper with color and line is an amazing skill and those with a knack for it are truly marvellous in my opinion.
I don’t understand the need to take that fantastic expression, the uncountable hours of work done by these artists all across the world, only to then mush it into genericide and dare complain when the artists whose work has been taken take issue with it.
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I’m assuming its a side eye way of telling one adult to stop telling another adult what is right and wrong?
No idea, just a really weird comeback.
“I don’t agree with what you said”
“You don’t pay my stuff, you can’t say that!!1!”
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Variance of opinion tends to split here, I won’t bash someone for it because I know not everyone views it the same way. To me publically flaunting it in this way is promoting the process and the problems that come with it. In RPG-land you have 0 to go off so I can understand the need there, but in WoW it simply isn’t necessary when you have a character model already that everyone can see. An AI image of the character will look just as weird and ‘off’ to whatever mental picture you have, possibly more so since I’ve never seen an AI image replicate WoW gear consistently.
I see a lot of tech bros swearing up and down that it is this super hard and laborous task that is its own skillset and requires mastery… and will immediately flip the switch to go “Oh but it’s so easy artists should just change to AI generation” in the same breath. Funny stuff.
As said I can only picture that being the case if you have 0 money or time to spend on luxuries of any sort, and if you’re subbed to WoW you probably have either the money to pay for a sketch (I have seen as low as 10 euros) or the time to hunt and participate in raffles (of which there are many, especially for smaller artists where the odds of winning are much higher). Some of my own comm’d art is expensive, hitting triple digits, some was the price of a lunch at a cafe, some of it was outright free.
I just don’t buy the “art is too expensive!” angle at all that I see oft repeated.
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Alot of the time, most artist prices tend to be well below the minimum wage for doing another job the same amount of hours it takes to finish said commission.
These artists dont tend to live in mansions.
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It really isn’t. Honestly AI image generation favours those who can write well. The more detailed the inputs you ask for the more closer to the reality you want. I’ve never had a problem with John Generico haunting my outputs.
Genuinely feels criminal how few pennies you can pay a russian/eastern block artist for amazing pieces of work.
Still less exploitative than AI though
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Yeah I wish they would charge more, I just wanted to point out the options exist. In EU at least you can even look further east in the art community and usually get some crazy prices because of currency coversion… language barriers are a hassle though, I won’t name names but one popular artist from over there did art for me and I was actually quite unhappy with it, but just dropped it because it was clear they were good at drawing the character identical to the character model and that was that… still better than any attempts I’ve done to make my characters in AI though.
Same braincell.
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I don’t think making a line of text, with artist names, styles and themes makes you literate in any way shape or form.
What, are you RPing being an artist or something?
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I RP having two braincells to rub together every day
#FakeItTillYouMakeIT 
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I would say I have a nice image of my toons, but I would not say that I am an artist or created art or even did this myself. However, when I need 200 tries to get a decent AI image, I also wouldn’t say it was without any effort.
I would compare computer art with creative craftmanshift by hand and AI generated images with mass produced factory products. And the handcrafted art is a luxury product which is really nice to have, but sometimes I am also satisfied with a factory product.
And in my roleplay I like handcrafted art for my main toon, but I am also happy to get a lot of AI images for a lot of the monsters, demons, NPCs, weapons, artifacts, animals etc my toon meets on its adventures. Which is only possible with cheap, fast crafting and not with tough, time-consuming art.
Back when I took to taking commissions (this was almost a decade ago mind you) I was one of those artists who had to be told to raise their prices
So now, I’m being annoying to fresh artists and parroting it back at them
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It’s quite a shame, because knowing people who do art and commission, they often get very angry messages if the price isn’t “cheap”.
Even then people still ask for discounts or haggling.
The outlier seem to be NSFW art, those people tend to be apparently very specific but pays VERY well.
It’s a case of supply and demand. Whenever I can afford, I always try to tip so I spend what I believe the art is “worth” (I usually can’t afford it but I try to tip wherever possible)
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If I could draw I would probably sell my soul to furries, I’d never have to wear a tie ever again. We all pretend we’d be “better than that” and have limits, but when they wave triple digits at you…
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That is more fair enough even if I do disagree personally, but it is not vicious.
It is immensely easy and effortless compared to you or an artist drawing it.
I personally would not, that analogy doesn’t work because A) art is not a necessity, any art is a form of luxury good in a sense. AI also specifically from the ground up, relies on others work exisiting beforehand and going uncredited and used without their permission. Its by its core flawed.
I think this is morally wrong, completely. As I have already expressed. And while I can’t comment on you as a person, it would 100% put me off even interacting with your events and roleplay if everything needed 100 of AI images instead of just descriptions, or if an image was absolutely needed, just get one done for you.
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Why do they need art though? It would probably be faster to practise writing and then… just writing the descriptions, no?
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People form emotional attachments to their creations and want to immortalize their memories with art, which is understandable.
That said, art is a luxury, not a necessity, and if you want it you should either learn creating art yourself or be willing to pay for it.
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